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IDF officers ordered to fire at unarmed crowds near Gaza food distribution sites

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Re: IDF officers ordered to fire at unarmed crowds near Gaza food distribution sites

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What is the evidence for that?

If Israel wanted them to leave, wouldn't they seek cooperation with a nation that is willing to have them, and organize mass transports there?

At least I haven't heard of any such thing.

Re: IDF officers ordered to fire at unarmed crowds near Gaza food distribution sites

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The biggest problem with this isn’t the horror of the actual war crime. The far more serious concern are the lengths the government will go to avoid holding anyone accountable. That is so much worse because it unintentionally endorses future crimes and challenges the offenders to take ever more offensive actions without fear of consequences.

Even ignoring primary crimes, under Israeli law, even incitement to genocide is punishable by death. But so many members of the political and media elite have made inciting statements, that the rubicon is crossed; the political class cannot allow any serious, independent consideration of war crimes to ever occur, because that would risk them all facing the firing squad. This in turn signals to individual soldiers that there will be no accountability, even in the absence of directives.

Re: IDF officers ordered to fire at unarmed crowds near Gaza food distribution sites

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Israel here obviously standing for "the current government of Israel" (with presumed majority support), not "every single Israeli person". Fortunately many Israelis are against the ongoing genocide, but powerless to stop it.

There's a palestinian guy living in the US making the rounds on tiktok, talking to random israeli people on something like omegle. The amount of hate he gets is nothing short of depressing. Children cursing at him, IDF soldiers saying they want to kill every single person in Gaza, calling them sub-humans... sounds like the fourth reich is here already. All this to say you're right, but the government is indocrinating…

You can find the videos here: https://www.youtube.com/@HamzahSaadah

It is indeed sickening. They straight out tell you how they want all Palestinian children to die.

Re: IDF officers ordered to fire at unarmed crowds near Gaza food distribution sites

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I do not believe it is unintentional.

Until corrective actions with criminal penalties occur incidents like these almost certainly continue with possible increases of frequency and severity. More importantly though when this becomes a matter of conduct and military discipline is that it will spread to other areas even outside Gaza. This isn’t just a matter of vague speculation as there are historical cases outside of Israel on which to see how things lik…

The idea Israeli government would hold anyone accountable is a laughable.

Israel got in trouble with ICJ court, because of quotes from top government officials. Government of Israel was very specific what they will do to Gaza! This was even full scale bombing started!

Trying to reinterpret this as a problem of "military discipline", and "soldiers are victim as well" is just another level of cynicism!

Re: IDF officers ordered to fire at unarmed crowds near Gaza food distribution sites

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The biggest problem with this isn’t the horror of the actual war crime. The far more serious concern are the lengths the government will go to avoid holding anyone accountable. That is so much worse because it unintentionally endorses future crimes and challenges the offenders to take ever more offensive actions without fear of consequences.

You mean the government whose leader is facing a corruption trial?

Re: IDF officers ordered to fire at unarmed crowds near Gaza food distribution sites

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Why though, what does it achieve? Do they want to make sure that there will be terrorists / freedom fighters in the future so that they have a reason not to negotiate? Because they expect to "win" if violence continues?

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its not pretty? Selling for profit? You missed the "ah war is hell. Just give up resisting so everything will be fine" part of the propaganda book.
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