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Korean students seek 'digital undertakers' amid US visa social media screening

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Re: Korean students seek 'digital undertakers' amid US visa social media screening

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Post by zeroCalories »

mandmandam wrote: post #70
15155 wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> conflate vocally anti-genocidal students I don't want foreign students (or otherwise) being "vocal" for literally any reason whatsoever. Go to school, become a citizen if you wish, and then participate in the political process. > will only ever be applied to foreigners I consider the case at hand, not a slippery slope of hypotheticals.

> I don't want foreign students (or otherwise) being "vocal" for literally any reason whatsoever. Your opinion doesn't trump universal human rights. Nor should it. > Go to school, become a citizen if you wish, and then participate in the political process. What if the political issues affect you as a visa holder? Have you actually thought this though? > I consider the case at hand, not a slippery slope of hypothetica…

> Your opinion doesn't trump universal human rights. Nor should it.

Universal legal rights don't exist. They are an opinion.

> What if the political issues affect you as a visa holder? Have you actually thought this though?

Yes, that's the entire point.

Re: Korean students seek 'digital undertakers' amid US visa social media screening

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Post by zeroCalories »

carefulfungi wrote: post #78
zeroCalories wrote: post #77

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1. This isn't suppressing free speech. This is classic new deal government. I thought liberals liked that? 2. No one is obligated to work with you, or give you clearances if you're suspected of being against state interests. 3. I thought we were all for government crackdowns on corrupt corporations? 4. Many of these people are obstructionist. 5. DEI is discriminatory. I thought liberals were anti-discrimination? 6. M…

I list several instances of the government coercing speech. You conclude that taking away my freedom is a legitimate goal. Strange.

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Re: Korean students seek 'digital undertakers' amid US visa social media screening

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Post by efitz »

tuyguntn wrote: post #27
DragonStrength wrote: post #19

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No one is pretending this is about terrorism now. They're explicit this is about curbing political activism by foreign students. Some outside the US miss that because few countries would have given foreign students this much room for activism in the first place.

Do you think US embassy will reject political activism if it was against China?

Do you think you would be granted a visa by China if your social media was full of anti-China rhetoric?

Re: Korean students seek 'digital undertakers' amid US visa social media screening

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Post by happymellon »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #80
mandmandam wrote: post #57

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> They're explicit this is about curbing political activism by foreign students. Freedom of assembly is a universal human right; not that anyone seriously expects respect for those from the US any more.

Except the US views it as its right to assemble who it wants to allow in. Same right, different perspective.

How so?

It doesnt even seem remotely the same.

That would be the right to prevent assembly.

Re: Korean students seek 'digital undertakers' amid US visa social media screening

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Post by zinodaur »

IG_Semmelweiss wrote: post #60
jlebar wrote: post #38

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Who gets to define what is anti-American? Perhaps you think it's anti-American to believe that Israel is committing war crimes in Gaza. Perhaps I think it's anti-American to believe that the Jan 6 rioters should have been pardoned. Whose purity test should we apply?

The majority of the people's opinion. Which elected a democratically-elected representative. That is how democracies work. If there's anything the executive has power over besides commander in chief, it would be leader in chief of defining what is actually, American. The fact that prior presidents have actually abdicated this important role, doesn't mean it didn't exist. This is why traditions of the State of the Uni…

And next time the Democrats get elected they will filter out all the right wing professors/students, and this will make you happy?

Re: Korean students seek 'digital undertakers' amid US visa social media screening

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Post by dfxm12 »

tuyguntn wrote: post #27
DragonStrength wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No one is pretending this is about terrorism now. They're explicit this is about curbing political activism by foreign students. Some outside the US miss that because few countries would have given foreign students this much room for activism in the first place.

Do you think US embassy will reject political activism if it was against China?

People have been detained/face deportation for activism against other foreign countries, so why not? The point is: if the admin wants you gone, or doesn't want to let you in, they'll use anything as pretense.

Re: Korean students seek 'digital undertakers' amid US visa social media screening

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Post by gorjusborg »

I am taking a second to audibly thank the people who were arguing that privacy still mattered in the age of the internet.

People often don't realize how much they take for granted (like perfect forward freedom of speech) until it is gone.

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