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Re: Dev jobs are about to get a hard reset and nobody's ready

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I'm doing a reasonable size project with Claude Code doing almost all of the programming, and it's quite challenging. Vibe coding is easy and fast, but you end up not being an expert in the code base or really having any idea about it. And once it reaches a certain size, the LLM isn't an expert on it either. It is only an expert on cleanly isolated sections of it, which, by the way, it's really bad at producing witho…

In my experience there is a big difference between front-end and back-end stuff (i.e., formulaic/templated code and code that needs to solve an actual problem). LLMs breeze through the former, typically get stuck in the latter because of context and breadth limitations.

That doesn’t mean you can’t churn out all the surface accoutrements of an app (and some of the dull back-end stuff like user databases, etc.) faster—-but it is very far from replacing someone with system design skills in the long run.

Re: Dev jobs are about to get a hard reset and nobody's ready

#83

It’s only a feeling, but I’d swear I’ve seen variations on this post across a half a dozen software-adjacent subreddits every day for the last month. The common denominator has always been “Paying $200 for Claude Max is a steal” with absolutely no evidence of what the author did with it. I honestly think we’re being played.

> with absolutely no evidence of what the author did with it.

I've got colleagues desperate to be seen as on board with all the AI experiments and they just write things like "tool X is MILES better than tool Y". Leadership laps it up

They never provide any evidence.

Re: Dev jobs are about to get a hard reset and nobody's ready

#84
>It’s already doing 100% of the coding. Not assisting. Not helping. Just doing it. And we’re only halfway through the year.

Oh ya and you're betting your job on that it didnt write activate_skynet()? You still need to fully understand what it wrote.

>The idea of a “Python dev” or “React dev” is outdated. Going forward, I won’t be hiring for languages, I’ll hire devs who can solve problems, no matter the stack. The language barrier is completely gone.

"hiring" people havent gone on language in decades. Implying some bad things about OP.

>We’ve hit the point where asking “Which programming language should I learn?” is almost irrelevant. The real skill now is system design, architecture, DevOps, cloud — the stuff that separated juniors from seniors. That’s what’ll matter.

Python > *

>Design as a job? Hanging by a thread. Figma Make (still in beta!) is already doing brand identity, UI, and beautiful production-ready site, powered by Claude Sonnet/Opus. Honestly, I’m questioning why I’d need a designer in a year.

Yes, you should get rid of your designers. Other places will gladly hire them.

>A few months ago, $40/month for Cursor felt expensive. Now I’m paying $200/month for Claude Max and it feels dirt cheap. I’d happily pay $500 at its current capabilities. Opus 5 might just break the damn ceiling.

Pycharm pro for the win as well. Choice of tool is dynamic.

>Last week, I did something I’ve put off for 10 years. Built a full production-grade desktop app in 1 week. Fully reviewed. Clean code. Launched builds on Launchpad. UI/UX and performance? Better than most market leaders. ONE. WEEK.

fully reviewed by who? As in Ubuntu's launchpad? that has essentially no reviewing? A huge code dump or big bang pr? Isnt that what nobody wants?

You touch on the real boon, the gap between closed source for $ and open source free work just greatly decreased.

>Productivity has sky rocketed. People are doing things which before took months to do within a week. FUTURE GENERATION WILL HAVE HIGHER PRODUCTIVITY INGRAINED AS A EVOLUTIONARY TRAIT IN THEM.

Scotty: Let's prompt GPT-69 to fix this problem we have.

Re: Dev jobs are about to get a hard reset and nobody's ready

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The first comment to the post referenced Kent Beck's: > "The value of 90% of my skills just dropped to $0. The leverage for the remaining 10% went up 1000x. I need to recalibrate" [0] At the time that felt like an exaggeration, but from my own use of Claude Code over the last month, I now entirely agree. My take on this is that we need to educate future devs from the very start as engineering managers - to be concern…

What have you accomplished with Claude Code? Anything you can share?

Nothing I can share externally at the moment, but I've been using it to almost speed-run through creating a docker compose stack of apps and deploying it on an cloud server. I've had Claude Code write 99% of it (not exaggerating), including app code (mostly in Python), configs, tests (unit, integration and playwright browser tests), deployment scripts and documentation. For this use-case, it's not yet good enough for working fully independently, and I need to steer and course-correct it every once in a while, but it feels a lot more like managing an eager but inexperienced person, rather than a "tool". And while I do make some manual changes every once in a while (particularly in the plan files I have it generate), in the vast majority of cases, I find it more convenient to tell it what to change and have it change it, until I'm happy.

More recently, as I've gained trust in the process, I've also started more and more asking it to manage "subagents" to do some of the lower-level work, and it's been a very valuable power multiplier too, allowing for additional parallelism, without growing the main agent's context.

Re: Dev jobs are about to get a hard reset and nobody's ready

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I spent the last two months "vibe coding". I really think VC as it is defined (keep smashing the accept button and let the LLM eventually "get there") is terrible. My flow has been to use Claude code for an incredibly amazing code gen where: 1. I know exactly what I want architecturally 2. I know how I want it In this mode the flow is then about validating the code to make sure it is my "image" frequently rather than…

We're on the same page. And you have to be vigilant, too. You can spend a day or two in full vibe code mode if you really want to ship a bunch of features fast, and they'll all work and it will feel amazing, all while it's secretly shitting all over your codebase, and you won't know it until it's too late. And not in a "oh now you just have to fix it up" way - if you go too long it may be just about as difficult to f…

Sounds like what happens in my own codebases anyway...

Re: Dev jobs are about to get a hard reset and nobody's ready

#88

I'm doing a reasonable size project with Claude Code doing almost all of the programming, and it's quite challenging. Vibe coding is easy and fast, but you end up not being an expert in the code base or really having any idea about it. And once it reaches a certain size, the LLM isn't an expert on it either. It is only an expert on cleanly isolated sections of it, which, by the way, it's really bad at producing witho…

The LLMs debates have been raging for a while now, and I think this is one of the most insightful comments I've read on this topic. I also think what you describe can also be applied to writing with LLMs. In short, your idea of a 3rd way forward, i.e., bespoke coding (or writing) is the only viable path forward, but using LLMs to accelerate that. This is actually sort of what I have been doing with my use of LLMs. The problem is you have to be really careful in not letting yourself take mental shortcuts as LLMs can sometime produce deceivingly dazzling results until you realize some of that is front of you is BS, however it did still produce something useful that you now have to clean up leading to productivity gains.

Re: Dev jobs are about to get a hard reset and nobody's ready

#90

It’s only a feeling, but I’d swear I’ve seen variations on this post across a half a dozen software-adjacent subreddits every day for the last month. The common denominator has always been “Paying $200 for Claude Max is a steal” with absolutely no evidence of what the author did with it. I honestly think we’re being played.

> I honestly think we’re being played. Supposing this is true, who is playing us and why?

I didn't intend anything super nefarious there; I just think it's Influencer-style marketing that's going on.
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