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Re: Harper – an open-source alternative to Grammarly

#81

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You would lose out on evolution of language.

Natural languages evolve so slowly that writing and editing rules for them is easily achievable even this way. Think years versus minutes.

Please share your reasoning that led you to this conclusion -- that natural language "evolves slowly". You also seem to be making an assumption that natural languages (English, I'm assuming) can be well defined by a simple set of rigid patterns/rules?

Re: Harper – an open-source alternative to Grammarly

#82

I would much rather check my writing against grammatical rules that are hard coded in an open source program—meaning that I can change them—than ones that I imagine would be subject to prompt fiddling or worse; implicitly hard coded in a tangle of training data that the LLM would draw from. The Neovim configuration for the LSP looks neat: https://writewithharper.com/docs/integrations/neovim The whole thing seems cool…

why did you use chatgpt for this text then?

Re: Harper – an open-source alternative to Grammarly

#83
post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Natural languages evolve so slowly that writing and editing rules for them is easily achievable even this way. Think years versus minutes.

Please share your reasoning that led you to this conclusion -- that natural language "evolves slowly". You also seem to be making an assumption that natural languages (English, I'm assuming) can be well defined by a simple set of rigid patterns/rules?

> Please share your reasoning that led you to this conclusion -- that natural language "evolves slowly".

Languages are used to successfully communicate. To achieve this, all parties involved in the communication must know the language well enough to send and receive messages. This obviously includes messages that transmit changes in the language, for instance, if you tried to explain to your parents the meaning of the current short-lived meme and fad nouns/adjectives like "skibidi ohio gyatt rizz".

It takes time for a language feature to become widespread and de-facto standardized among a population. This is because people need to asynchronously learn it, start using it themselves, and gain critical mass so that even people who do not like using that feature need to start respecting its presence. This inertia is the main source of slowness that I mention, and also and a requirement for any kind of grammar-checking software. From the point of such software, a language feature that (almost) nobody understands is not a language feature, but an error.

> You also seem to be making an assumption that natural languages (English, I'm assuming) can be well defined by a simple set of rigid patterns/rules?

Yes, that set of patterns is called a language grammar. Even dialects and slangs have grammars of their own, even if they're different, less popular, have less formal materials describing them, and/or aren't taught in schools.

Re: Harper – an open-source alternative to Grammarly

#85
I don't understand why we even need such services. Why don't the browsers and maybe even the OS just not improve their included grammar checkers?

The Chrome enhanced grammar checker is still awful after decades.

Maybe the AI hype will finally fix this? I'm still surprised this wasn't the first thing they did.

Re: Harper – an open-source alternative to Grammarly

#86

I would much rather check my writing against grammatical rules that are hard coded in an open source program—meaning that I can change them—than ones that I imagine would be subject to prompt fiddling or worse; implicitly hard coded in a tangle of training data that the LLM would draw from. The Neovim configuration for the LSP looks neat: https://writewithharper.com/docs/integrations/neovim The whole thing seems cool…

why did you use chatgpt for this text then?

I can write em-dashes on my keyboard in one second using the compose key: right alt + ---

Re: Harper – an open-source alternative to Grammarly

#87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You would lose out on evolution of language.

Natural languages evolve so slowly that writing and editing rules for them is easily achievable even this way. Think years versus minutes.

Aight you win fam, I was trippin fr. You're absolutely bussin, no cap. Harvard should be taking notes.

(^^ alien language that was developed in less than a decade)

Re: Harper – an open-source alternative to Grammarly

#88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Natural languages evolve so slowly that writing and editing rules for them is easily achievable even this way. Think years versus minutes.

Aight you win fam, I was trippin fr. You're absolutely bussin, no cap. Harvard should be taking notes. (^^ alien language that was developed in less than a decade)

Yes, precisely. This "less than a decade" is magnitudes above the hours or days that it would take to manually add those words and idioms to proper dictionaries and/or write new grammar rules to accomodate aspects like skipping "g" in continuous verbs to get "bussin" or "bussin'" instead of "bussing". Thank you for illustrating my point.

Also, it takes at most few developers to write those rules into a grammar checking system, compared to millions and more that need to learn a given piece of "evolved" language as it becomes impossible to avoid learning it. It's not only fast enough to do this manually, it also takes much less work-intensive and more scalable.

Re: Harper – an open-source alternative to Grammarly

#89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Natural languages evolve so slowly that writing and editing rules for them is easily achievable even this way. Think years versus minutes.

Aight you win fam, I was trippin fr. You're absolutely bussin, no cap. Harvard should be taking notes. (^^ alien language that was developed in less than a decade)

I don't think anyone has the need to check such a message for grammar or spelling mistakes. Even then, I would not rely on a LLM to accurately track this "evolution of language".

Re: Harper – an open-source alternative to Grammarly

#90

I would much rather check my writing against grammatical rules that are hard coded in an open source program—meaning that I can change them—than ones that I imagine would be subject to prompt fiddling or worse; implicitly hard coded in a tangle of training data that the LLM would draw from. The Neovim configuration for the LSP looks neat: https://writewithharper.com/docs/integrations/neovim The whole thing seems cool…

why did you use chatgpt for this text then?

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