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Re: The Zed Debugger Is Here

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Post by no_wizard »

koito17 wrote: post #77
aequitas wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have to try out the debugger yet. However I share your sentiment but for the Git feature. The basics are there but it is just not complete yet to fully replace my current git workflow. Hope they keep focus on that as well.

Nothing has been able to replace Magit for me, yet. Having a Zed UI for Git like Magit is my dream feature request. With that said, Zed has effectively replaced all of Emacs for me, besides Magit. Additionally, typing in other editors feels noticeably higher latency than Zed :) I've been daily driving Zed for almost a year now -- works best on TypeScript, Rust, and Go projects, in my opinion. There's just so much fun…

Zed reminds of the days when Atom was big.

It was a good time, but it always left me wondering how long it would last as it leaned heavily on community support for nearly everything useful outside a few packages

Such a situation makes me worry about it keeping up if popularity wanes. With JetBrains for example at least I know that paying for the editor it will keep getting proper updates and support even if it isn’t the most popular (though it is quite popular currently)

Re: The Zed Debugger Is Here

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Post by mort96 »

CuriouslyC wrote: post #78
mort96 wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nah, the AI bubble will have popped in a few years and projects will stop sprouting AI features left and right.

Did the dot com crash cause software to stop integrating internet features?

No, we still have software with Internet features. But Internet features went from a solution looking for a problem, to just another tool we can reach for when it's actually useful.

A whole lot of "AI" features today are in that "solution looking for a problem" category. There's a lot of "AI" in places where it really makes no sense at all. Companies and projects are afraid of missing out on what they think could be the Next Big Thing, instead of just trying to make the best software they can.

When the AI bubble bursts, it could end up like Internet features: software gets them when it genuinely makes sense, but they won't be crammed into software which has no need for it. Or it could end up like cryptocurrency: it pretty much just disappears as people realize that they don't really have any use other than to speculate on its value and to buy drugs.

Personally, my bet is that they'll end up more like cryptocurrencies. After all, "AI" doesn't just have to be a useful feature to be worth it. It has a real cost. Companies like Microsoft and Apple and Google, as well as the venture capitalists and investment funds behind the likes of Anthropic, are currently sinking VAST amounts of capital into giving "AI" away for free or heavily subsidized. At some point, it'll need to become profitable, and I don't think many people will find that the value outweighs the real, non-subsidized costs.

But we'll see.

Re: The Zed Debugger Is Here

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Post by no_wizard »

echelon wrote: post #79
csomar wrote: post #70

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> How is Zed with auto-completing Rust code? I think they all use LSP, so whether you use neovim or Zed there shouldn't be a difference? (not 100% sure, but that's my basic understanding of LSP).

The LSP support for Rust has trailed JetBrains own Rust plugin, which has long since morphed into the language-specific IDE, RustRover. RustRover has the best AST suggestions and refactoring support out there. It works in gigantic workspaces, across build scripts, proc macros, and dynamic dispatch. The problem with RustRover has been the lackluster AI support. I've been finding AI autocomplete generally much more use…

I know they’re actively working on this, they released a few updates to the AI extension to make it modular now, so you can pick your own model for example. Soon it will let you wire up your own agents, but if I recall correctly the reason it’s a bit slower there is lack of uniform interfaces

Re: The Zed Debugger Is Here

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Post by nsonha »

mort96 wrote: post #40

I was interested in Zed, but lost all interest when they started integrating "AI". I'm tired of "AI" everywhere. I'll just stick with Neovim until something better comes around. Which probably won't happen until after the "AI" bubble bursts.

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Re: The Zed Debugger Is Here

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Post by happy-dude »

laserbeam wrote: post #32

I'm very happy to see work on the debugger. This is the main feature preventing me from switching full time to zed. Unfortunately, "here" is not accurate. Not having a watch window, a stack trace view, and no mention of data breakpoints in the announcement still keeps the "beta" tag. I know those features will arrive eventually, but what is described is definitely not sufficient for 97% of my debugging sessions. I wo…

The blog post mentions[1] that advanced views are in development. This initial release and announcement focuses on the underlying foundation they're building upon.

> New views: While we support all the fundamental views, we're planning on adding more advanced views such as a watch list, memory view, disassembly view, and a stack trace view

[1] https://zed.dev/blog/debugger#whats-next

Re: The Zed Debugger Is Here

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Post by nsonha »

norman784 wrote: post #63
mort96 wrote: post #40

I was interested in Zed, but lost all interest when they started integrating "AI". I'm tired of "AI" everywhere. I'll just stick with Neovim until something better comes around. Which probably won't happen until after the "AI" bubble bursts.

I didn't tried Zed in a while, are really intrusive the AI features? Can't it be just disabled with some configuration?

I think you're referring to autocomplete? It's much better than, say, 2 years ago when it was indeed annoying as hell. Having said I always turn it off and use agentic coding, which is not intrusive, only activate if you ask for it. This applies to all coding tools these days, autocomplete is no longer their focus.

Re: The Zed Debugger Is Here

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Post by laserbeam »

keyle wrote: post #74
laserbeam wrote: post #32

I'm very happy to see work on the debugger. This is the main feature preventing me from switching full time to zed. Unfortunately, "here" is not accurate. Not having a watch window, a stack trace view, and no mention of data breakpoints in the announcement still keeps the "beta" tag. I know those features will arrive eventually, but what is described is definitely not sufficient for 97% of my debugging sessions. I wo…

I agree but at the rate the Zed team is working at, we're not far off!

Oh yeah, of course :). My argument is they're just premature in declaring readiness.

Re: The Zed Debugger Is Here

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Post by nsonha »

deliriumchn wrote: post #66
norman784 wrote: post #63

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I didn't tried Zed in a while, are really intrusive the AI features? Can't it be just disabled with some configuration?

they are not intrusive but their entire focus changed on that instead of other features. Entire Git view feels abandoned in half done state yet they spent entire month working on AI chats, AI agents, their own AI edit (that's priced 20 per month yet they boast how light and performant it is -- why isn't it free local model then and why its priced worse than copilot?) They're moving from "making awesome code editor" i…

I'm much prefer the VS Code style when you have 2 clear sections: staged and not staged. Zed's chose the IntelliJ style which is just a bunch of checkboxes, I can see it being easier to understand for the novice, but not very intuitive from a git point of view.

Re: The Zed Debugger Is Here

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Post by drcongo »

no_wizard wrote: post #81
koito17 wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nothing has been able to replace Magit for me, yet. Having a Zed UI for Git like Magit is my dream feature request. With that said, Zed has effectively replaced all of Emacs for me, besides Magit. Additionally, typing in other editors feels noticeably higher latency than Zed :) I've been daily driving Zed for almost a year now -- works best on TypeScript, Rust, and Go projects, in my opinion. There's just so much fun…

Zed reminds of the days when Atom was big. It was a good time, but it always left me wondering how long it would last as it leaned heavily on community support for nearly everything useful outside a few packages Such a situation makes me worry about it keeping up if popularity wanes. With JetBrains for example at least I know that paying for the editor it will keep getting proper updates and support even if it isn’t…

You can pay for Zed too. I am.
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