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Brad Lander detained by masked federal agents inside immigration court

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Re: Brad Lander detained by masked federal agents inside immigration court

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"New York City Comptroller Brad Lander was detained inside a Lower Manhattan immigration court building Tuesday morning by masked federal agents as he attempted to escort a man from his court appearance there. "

This is actually what happened, not the headline. He tried to forcibly remove someone there for court. It's all a a show, to make the Trump administration look bad.

Re: Brad Lander detained by masked federal agents inside immigration court

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Editorializing what, exactly? The rule of law? "what they were doing" is attempting to illegally abduct someone. The comptroller's "impeding" was a demand to see the one thing that would make their request a legal arrest. Instead, they arrested the comptroller without even a pretense of the law.

ICE agents are not generally required to present warrants. The agent has all sorts of conditions where they get to say no. If you think you’re above the law and can tell them what to do then you’re going to be arrested.

Re: Brad Lander detained by masked federal agents inside immigration court

#83

The actual title of the acticle is "Brad Lander Detained by Masked Federal Agents Inside Immigration Court". Contrary to the current title here on HN, Lander was not arrested for asking to see a warrant; TFA states the opposite, "It wasn’t immediately clear what charges, if any, the mayoral candidate will face. A spokesperson for ICE didn’t immediately return a request for comment." If an event is so important to kno…

A couple of reasons: Clickbait, Incitement, Selling something, or Bad Journalism It happens all the time, but your point is absolutely correct. Media fabrication undermines confidence in the reporting.

The other commenter mentioned "narrative", which is very relevant, because that is an important part of simulation (and your username)

Baudrilliard was careful to point out that simulation isn't a matter of fabrication; to simulate is to obscure the absence of facts, not to create false facts. A simulacrum is a symbol that obscures the fact that it refers to nothing; whereas a symbol, in centuries past, invariably referred to something, real or imagined. The resulting reality (or maybe "mindspace"?) is a construct on top of the real world -- a hyper-reality -- in which every symbol is a simulacrum; the only thing real in hyper-reality is that the symbols hide the absence of facts. This is why, again as the other commenter mentions, we appear to live in a post-truth society; we are fully living in hyper-reality.

>Bad Journalism

The guy who created the Pullitzer prize also co-invented Yellow Journalism.[0][1] There is neither good journalism or bad journalism; it's all simulation.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Pulitzer#Pulitzer_Prize

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_journalism#Origins:_Pul...

Re: Brad Lander detained by masked federal agents inside immigration court

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How? None of these individuals are the president. It's the effect of qualified immunity for non-presidents.

Mostly because they're acting as agents of the president's agenda, and as such, even if one were to prosecute them for their crimes, the president would just blanket-pardon them all and executive-order that they're immune to any legal enforcement against them, and the toadies in D.C. would roll over and allow it all to happen.

But none of that has to do with a president's own qualified immunity.

ICE isn't inheriting the president's qualified immunity; they have it because they're government employees. It doesn't matter if they're acting in the presidents interests or not and for state employees if they're acting in the governors interests or not.

Pardon is a very clearly enumerated power of the president so any usage of it is very clearly legal (although typically undesirable).

Re: Brad Lander detained by masked federal agents inside immigration court

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The entire framing of this article fact that we don't even know the name of whoever he was trying to protect tells you a lot. Clearly we're not meant to be upset that fed-cops can behave this way generally, we're meant to be upset that they dared treat another agent of the state, a more equal animal, the way they'd treat a common peasant who got similarly uppity. Caring about these generalities is outside our lane.

> we're meant to be upset that they dared treat another agent of the state, I'm upset because a US citizen was arrested for asking a reasonable question to some government officials before complying with the government officials.

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Re: Brad Lander detained by masked federal agents inside immigration court

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It is insane that federal agents are allowed to roam around in masks, without ID and just arrest people.

Even more insane that the lack of accountability means that common criminals and vigilantes pose as federal agents to kidnap or rob people. https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/04/us/ice-impersonators-on-the-r...

Or, you know, murder people.

Re: Brad Lander detained by masked federal agents inside immigration court

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It seems like it would be possible for state and local forces (police) to arrest and imprison ICE agents that are acting illegally. Specifically, arrest them for kidnapping when the nab people off the streets. Sure, they'll get out because they can lie and pretend they have cause; but they could be locked up for a while at least. And do it enough, and maybe they'll start thinking twice before acting stupid.

I have bad news about the police. They are exactly the same as ICE. If they fight it would be more like gang warfare over turf and money, since that is all they really are.

Re: Brad Lander detained by masked federal agents inside immigration court

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>Another thing that is troubling is that immigration law is sort of a parallel system to normal criminal law. The rights for the accused are lesser and obligations for officers are more lax. The burden of proof is lower. It's easier to get warrants and the rules of evidence are more relaxed. I would be absolutely elated if the end result of all this crap is a judicial president that eviscerates the many parallel syst…

> Right now you're making the same complaints about immigration process that hardcore libertarians made decades ago about traffic court and code enforcement and were brushed off for various reasons. They're keeping their mouths shut so as to not interfere with the learning process. Can you point me to some examples of people a decade ago running afoul of traffic or code enforcement, and being sent to an extrajudicial…

Out of the hundreds initially deported to El Salvador, "only 32 of the deportees had been convicted of U.S. crimes and that most were nonviolent offenses, such as retail theft or traffic violations." [1]

[1] https://www.propublica.org/article/trump-el-salvador-deporte...

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