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Re: Windows 10 EOL

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Post by frollogaston »

akimbostrawman wrote: post #69
frollogaston wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm still not convinced that phone and laptop ewaste is a real problem. They're tiny. I've never actually thrown one away, they're just sitting around, taking less combined space than a nightstand drawer.

that might be the case for individuals but not corporations and organizations that also have the most hardware. i know from personal experience that windows 11 hardware requirements e-wasted tens of thousands of mostly perfectly fine computer and that is just a single medium sized organization. counting that up to even just one country is an enormous amount of waste. not to mention all the wasted money better spend e…

But that's for tens of thousands of employees, who presumably don't have other jobs. And how long ago were those PCs produced?

Re: Windows 10 EOL

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Post by dr-detroit »

dale_huevo wrote: post #39
vondur wrote: post #25

This is a huge e-waste issue. I work as a Sysadmin in a large public university, and I've been spending the last year or so removing and replacing large amounts of computers that can no longer run a supported version of Windows. I just recently sent around 50 computers to a company that supposedly donates/resales them, but I'm going to guess most will end up as E-waste prematurely. Yes, we can purchase an extended su…

Why is this e-waste when compared to old Mac laptops - many of which are in perfect working order, save Apple arbitrarily stopping OS updates because they were too lazy to maintain or update device drivers. Somehow MS requiring TPM2 for Windows 11 was the end of humanity as we know it, but a Mac with a T2 chip is heralded as progress. If anything many of these PCs will enjoy a second life off eBay in someone's home-l…

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Re: Windows 10 EOL

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Post by frollogaston »

tommica wrote: post #67
frollogaston wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm still not convinced that phone and laptop ewaste is a real problem. They're tiny. I've never actually thrown one away, they're just sitting around, taking less combined space than a nightstand drawer.

It will be waste latest when you die

Yeah so when I die, there will be one small trash bag containing my entire life's phones and laptops. It could fit inside the coffin with me if it's such a problem. It's basically nothing compared to my general waste.

Re: Windows 10 EOL

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Post by theoreticalmal »

akimbostrawman wrote: post #69
frollogaston wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm still not convinced that phone and laptop ewaste is a real problem. They're tiny. I've never actually thrown one away, they're just sitting around, taking less combined space than a nightstand drawer.

that might be the case for individuals but not corporations and organizations that also have the most hardware. i know from personal experience that windows 11 hardware requirements e-wasted tens of thousands of mostly perfectly fine computer and that is just a single medium sized organization. counting that up to even just one country is an enormous amount of waste. not to mention all the wasted money better spend e…

Why didn’t the companies do the workaround for the hardware requirements?

Re: Windows 10 EOL

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Post by endemic »

frollogaston wrote: post #57
ralferoo wrote: post #8

> So Microsoft decided to produce tons of e-waste for no obvious reason. There's a lot of capable hardware out there, and it would be of software company's interest to support as much hardware as possible. The author then goes on to describe how he's just purchased 3 new Windows 11 licences... (indirectly via new computers)

I'm still not convinced that phone and laptop ewaste is a real problem. They're tiny. I've never actually thrown one away, they're just sitting around, taking less combined space than a nightstand drawer.

> I'm still not convinced that phone and laptop ewaste is a real problem.

I don't throw away phones or computers myself either, but a cursory Googling should be informative. From what I understand, it's a lot of "out of sight, out of mind" in wealthy countries.

Re: Windows 10 EOL

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Post by akimbostrawman »

frollogaston wrote: post #81
akimbostrawman wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

that might be the case for individuals but not corporations and organizations that also have the most hardware. i know from personal experience that windows 11 hardware requirements e-wasted tens of thousands of mostly perfectly fine computer and that is just a single medium sized organization. counting that up to even just one country is an enormous amount of waste. not to mention all the wasted money better spend e…

But that's for tens of thousands of employees, who presumably don't have other jobs. And how long ago were those PCs produced?

yes but all those people also have devices at home. most of it around 5 years but that is hardly how long the hardware actually is usable especially if you use anything other than the bloated behemoth that windows has become.

reminder that you can get a 10 year old pc with an SSD and any linux disto that will perform as good or even better for most basic office work than modern windows 11 on modern hardware....

Re: Windows 10 EOL

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Post by [deleted] »

estebank wrote: post #14
v9v wrote: post #2

Why do people keep bringing up this e-waste argument and act like they have to throw their Windows 10 computers into the garbage? It's not like the operating system stops working the second official support ends.

I also agree that the machine doesn't go off on a puff of smoke the second the OS is no longer supported, but having an Internet connected device with an unsupported OS is not tenable. There are options , like of course running Linux instead for as long as distros support your hardware, but even then you're only buying time. At some point the avalanche of "progress" will cause software to rely on things your hardware…

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Re: Windows 10 EOL

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Post by bee_rider »

JCattheATM wrote: post #11

I guess I'm going to have to put in effort to tame W11 into submission the way I did 10, but I'm not looking forward it - I honestly rarely have a need for it these days.

Once a machine has been rooted by an attacker, IMO the least-bad option is to just nuke it and start from scratch. For all I know, the tools I want to use to ferret out the infection are also infected.

When the attacker is Microsoft, the situation seems pretty hopeless.

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