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macOS Tahoe brings a new disk image format

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Re: macOS Tahoe brings a new disk image format

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Post by marwis »

dist-epoch wrote: post #55
dataflow wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AFAIK that's an incorrect meme that just won't die. The performance issues you're thinking of have nothing to do with the filesystem itself, but with the I/O subsystem in Windows more generally. If you have evidence otherwise please share.

Microsoft itself admits there are performance issues with NTFS, which is one reason they created ReFS. For example ReFS removed the MFT which caused various problems.

There are tools like voidtools Everything2 and WizTree that directly read NTFS from disk device bypassing windows FS apis and are blazingly fast (faster than find/du on ext4 in Linux).

Re: macOS Tahoe brings a new disk image format

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Post by adgjlsfhk1 »

mtillman wrote: post #33
e12e wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

zfs?

correct. but it's also a management system so perhaps they only want a files system? no idea why more don't use zfs. especially after the auto expansion update earlier in the year.

IMO the main reason is that ~90% of ZFS benefits only show up with multiple drives which (unfortunately) is fairly uncommon outside of servers.

Re: macOS Tahoe brings a new disk image format

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Post by thierrydamiba »

skrtskrt wrote: post #79
aquafox wrote: post #74

[flagged]

I think this is actually a human struggle - I add Conclusions to my blog posts / dev guides because it feels awkward to just end with the last step. But it also always feels like I am just awkwardly restating things I just said. It's not a thesis, an article generally not complicated enough to need a re-synthesizing of main points at the end.

I have an unusual way of communicating sometimes that used to be quirky and fun. Now I simply get accused of being a bot. Before LLMs I never got accused of being a robot.

I think the idea of good writing is soon going to morph with writing that doesn’t feel like it was made with AI.

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Post by brudgers »

frizlab wrote: post #52

I have a meta question not directly related to the article but more about HN itself. I posted this exact link 9h before this submission was posted[1]. How is it possible that there is a new entry for the submission given the link is the same? [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/from?site=eclecticlight.co

My guess is that “fastest gun in the west” might be a bit anti-pattern with respect to community.

Because in ye olden times, mild URL shenanigans seemed to have been a common hack to bypass more strict dupe detection.

And the community probably doesn’t really benefit from aggressive karma seeking —back then being first would give you a point for every resubmission. [1]

But that’s all speculation based on a supposition that what is more likely to be submitted by other users is not a better criterion for choosing to submit.

But I could very well be wrong and probably am.

[1] and number of submissions is probably at best a noisy signal for front page placement and might be negatively correlated with curiosity…I mean even here, what Apple is doing doesn’t stray too far from yesterday’s big press release by one of the most valuable corporations in the world.

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Post by conception »

whywhywhywhy wrote: post #73
coldtea wrote: post #57

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> 3rd party supporting a file system would be one of the last things on a list of all software I’d ever want a 3rd party writing instead of the OS maker. Given how many people use FUSE, Paragon NTFS for Mac, and similar tools, you're hardly totally representative.

> Given how many people use FUSE What percentage of MacOS users even know what that is. I mean I am in the percent but I know it's sub 0.001

They don’t need to know it to use it. I’ve seen a fair number of commercial cloud drive products use it.

Re: macOS Tahoe brings a new disk image format

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Post by pmarreck »

crazygringo wrote: post #21
jraph wrote: post #10

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This article describes a new disk image format (on which a filesystem can be put, APFS in the article), not a filesystem, or did I misunderstand? edit: added the word "image", which I apparently forgot to type. Mentioning the edition because otherwise it would make an answer to this comment difficult to understand.

This is a new disk image format. Not even a disk format. For virtualizing a disk. On which you can put a filesystem, yes. There seems to be an extraordinary amount of confusion in many of the comments, I don't know why.

Only Mac users IMHO are well-familiar with working with disk images. They are not as diverse or well-supported on other OS’es, while nearly every Mac app (prior to the App Store) was installed by dragging it out of a mounted disk image.

Re: macOS Tahoe brings a new disk image format

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Post by bombcar »

mtillman wrote: post #33
e12e wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

zfs?

correct. but it's also a management system so perhaps they only want a files system? no idea why more don't use zfs. especially after the auto expansion update earlier in the year.

Apple almost went with ZFS and Sun pissed off Jobs by mentioning it early (IIRC).
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