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FSE meets the FBI

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Re: FSE meets the FBI

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Post by blueflow »

kstrauser wrote: post #79
blueflow wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is the popular belief that shunning people or groups of people like this will lead to their exclusion from society, not yours.

If you can’t shun someone for their direct misbehavior, then why can you decide not to mute someone? Note that I never told you that you’re not allowed to talk to them. I just said they’re not allowed to harass me or my users anymore. You can still hang out with them all you like.

I was unable to settle on the Fediverse as i did not find an instance from where i could follow and interact with all the people that i know. My social circles are rather "diverse" and people like you are apparently working hard to not allow that.

I guess your users were okay with you setting blocks?

Re: FSE meets the FBI

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Post by kstrauser »

blueflow wrote: post #81
kstrauser wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you can’t shun someone for their direct misbehavior, then why can you decide not to mute someone? Note that I never told you that you’re not allowed to talk to them. I just said they’re not allowed to harass me or my users anymore. You can still hang out with them all you like.

I was unable to settle on the Fediverse as i did not find an instance from where i could follow and interact with all the people that i know. My social circles are rather "diverse" and people like you are apparently working hard to not allow that. I guess your users were okay with you setting blocks?

Yes and no. I’m working hard to keep people who act horribly out of my corner of the fediverse. I’ve never blocked someone for having different political opinions from my own, for example, but I’ve blocked plenty of people, even those who mostly share my opinions, because they were behaving like jerks. I’m doing nothing whatsoever to keep you from talking to them.

Hang out with anyone you want to, and I’ll do the same. And yes, my users are specifically OK with it. Our moderation actions are public, we put them to a vote when there’s some question about the right thing to do, and I’ve blogged a lot about the details of it all. Users tend to join and stay with my instance because they agree with my moderation actions, not in spite of them.

Re: FSE meets the FBI

#83

Post by blueflow »

kstrauser wrote: post #82
blueflow wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was unable to settle on the Fediverse as i did not find an instance from where i could follow and interact with all the people that i know. My social circles are rather "diverse" and people like you are apparently working hard to not allow that. I guess your users were okay with you setting blocks?

Yes and no. I’m working hard to keep people who act horribly out of my corner of the fediverse. I’ve never blocked someone for having different political opinions from my own, for example, but I’ve blocked plenty of people, even those who mostly share my opinions, because they were behaving like jerks. I’m doing nothing whatsoever to keep you from talking to them. Hang out with anyone you want to, and I’ll do the sam…

"behaving like a jerk" by your cultural norms and standards. I understand your position and wish you and your instance a future of diverse and fruitful conversations.

Re: FSE meets the FBI

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Post by kstrauser »

blueflow wrote: post #83
kstrauser wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes and no. I’m working hard to keep people who act horribly out of my corner of the fediverse. I’ve never blocked someone for having different political opinions from my own, for example, but I’ve blocked plenty of people, even those who mostly share my opinions, because they were behaving like jerks. I’m doing nothing whatsoever to keep you from talking to them. Hang out with anyone you want to, and I’ll do the sam…

"behaving like a jerk" by your cultural norms and standards. I understand your position and wish you and your instance a future of diverse and fruitful conversations.

Well, of course we’re not going to block them due to anyone else’s standards.

Thanks! We’ve been online for 8 years and it’s been a lot of fun, other than dealing with moderation of bad actors. Like the one above who called me an n-word, for instance. Although that was one of the easier mod decisions we had to make, to be sure!

Re: FSE meets the FBI

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Post by anton-c »

RKFADU_UOFCCLEL wrote: post #74

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What the heck is this? It's hysterical to report cp immediately?

You can be a free speech 'extremist'(clearly a bit tongue-in-cheek) and still want to protect your site from bad actors. Not much free speech to be had when their violations get your site removed.

I agree slightly that the 'meat' in the article was lacking as far as what was actually happening with the FBI. Seems no party would give him an inch tho.

Re: FSE meets the FBI

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Post by pixl97 »

blueflow wrote: post #83
kstrauser wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes and no. I’m working hard to keep people who act horribly out of my corner of the fediverse. I’ve never blocked someone for having different political opinions from my own, for example, but I’ve blocked plenty of people, even those who mostly share my opinions, because they were behaving like jerks. I’m doing nothing whatsoever to keep you from talking to them. Hang out with anyone you want to, and I’ll do the sam…

"behaving like a jerk" by your cultural norms and standards. I understand your position and wish you and your instance a future of diverse and fruitful conversations.

Diverse conversations are actually pretty rare in reality when conflicting opinions exist. The paradox of tolerance pretty much demands you weed out the extremists or they will be all that's left.

Re: FSE meets the FBI

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Post by GuinansEyebrows »

jchw wrote: post #25
FilosofumRex wrote: post #15

FSE {free speech extremists}, why would one have to be an extremist in country where free speech is enshrined in its Constitutional Law.

Aside from the obvious (it is clearly somewhat tongue-in-cheek, especially given the author's sense of humor) the truth is that the U.S. still has some unsettled business regarding what counts as protected speech. The past few decades have seen a lot of debate and legal back-and-forth regarding what to do with lolicon and shotacon illustrations, which FSE also addresses in another linked post[1]. (Not sure if any oth…

> The past few decades have seen a lot of debate and legal back-and-forth regarding what to do with lolicon and shotacon illustrations

wild that of all the examples you could choose to bring up, this is the one. not saying the conversation doesn't need to happen, but i think there are a lot more concrete examples that affect many more people that come to mind first.

for GP, there are a lot of other contested ideas around what constitutes free/protected speech in america that aren't related to pedophilia - much of it revolves around political speech, especially with Citizens United (the supreme court case that effectively declared monetary support for political causes to be considered "free speech"). conversely, ground-up economic speech (such as BDS) is often stifled (even calling for boycotts etc under the BDS framework is not considered protected speech in some places).

Re: FSE meets the FBI

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Post by blueflow »

pixl97 wrote: post #87
blueflow wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"behaving like a jerk" by your cultural norms and standards. I understand your position and wish you and your instance a future of diverse and fruitful conversations.

Diverse conversations are actually pretty rare in reality when conflicting opinions exist. The paradox of tolerance pretty much demands you weed out the extremists or they will be all that's left.

The trick is not being an ass towards someone you disagree with. If you quote Popper on this, you failed that and are rationalizing your behavior because you know its not good.

Re: FSE meets the FBI

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Post by pixl97 »

blueflow wrote: post #89
pixl97 wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Diverse conversations are actually pretty rare in reality when conflicting opinions exist. The paradox of tolerance pretty much demands you weed out the extremists or they will be all that's left.

The trick is not being an ass towards someone you disagree with. If you quote Popper on this, you failed that and are rationalizing your behavior because you know its not good.

The trick is the other person doing that too. Simply put a lot, if not most people don't want a rational debate where they discuss the many sides of an issue. They want to win.

Take religion for example, seemingly most people that have one tend to believe not only they are right about it (if you debate it's correctness it shows your lack of faith), they are trying to convert you and if they fail you are an enemy.

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