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Re: Infomaniak comes out in support of controversial Swiss encryption law

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Post by modzu »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #23
nickslaughter02 wrote: post #20

Nym, Threema and Proton said they would leave Switzerland over this. The question is where to go. Certainly not to any EU country (ProtectEU, Chat Control). https://www.techradar.com/vpn/vpn-privacy-security/we-would-...

There's nowhere to go, since it's a constant game of whack-a-mole. Small island countries in the Caribbean can brag about super lax laws that aid privacy and evasion but none of them will ruin relationships with US or the EU just to protect a small 10 person privacy focused tech company when a warrants comes from abroad. For reference, Switzerland had to change their banking secrecy laws decades ago due to pressure f…

if democracy ever threatened to change anything, it would be banned

Re: Infomaniak comes out in support of controversial Swiss encryption law

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Post by kstrauser »

Bengalilol wrote: post #17
notpushkin wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t understand a word you’re saying. How does any of this relate to the topic?

You may be right and I beg a pardon for my words then. I still have to dig the current law proposal (my shame). The conclusion I came to a few years ago is that anonymity in Switzerland is not something useful. Switzerland is not a police state, it mainly copes up with trying to get its citizens to being responsible. Whenever you make something wrong IRL, you have to assume the consequences. Same with online. I concu…

> Switzerland is not a police state, it mainly copes up with trying to get its citizens to being responsible.

I don’t even know what to say.

Every police state claims it’s only “trying to get its citizens to be responsible”.

Re: Infomaniak comes out in support of controversial Swiss encryption law

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Post by rayhaanj »

RealStickman_ wrote: post #35

Well fuck, guess I'm moving all my domains again. And I just moved away from Gandi. Does anyone have recommendations for domain registrars that support .ch and .li domains and ideally also supported by lego (my current acme client of choice)?

I'm currently using joker.com after also migrating off of gandi.

Re: Infomaniak comes out in support of controversial Swiss encryption law

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Post by Beijinger »

nickslaughter02 wrote: post #20

Nym, Threema and Proton said they would leave Switzerland over this. The question is where to go. Certainly not to any EU country (ProtectEU, Chat Control). https://www.techradar.com/vpn/vpn-privacy-security/we-would-...

Russia would be pretty good right now (for non-Russians).

If it is just a VPN, a "cybercompany" does not need to be incorporated somewhere. If is is just virtual, it does not have to follow any laws in a jurisdictions. Servers can come and go...

Re: Infomaniak comes out in support of controversial Swiss encryption law

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Post by zarzavat »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #23
nickslaughter02 wrote: post #20

Nym, Threema and Proton said they would leave Switzerland over this. The question is where to go. Certainly not to any EU country (ProtectEU, Chat Control). https://www.techradar.com/vpn/vpn-privacy-security/we-would-...

There's nowhere to go, since it's a constant game of whack-a-mole. Small island countries in the Caribbean can brag about super lax laws that aid privacy and evasion but none of them will ruin relationships with US or the EU just to protect a small 10 person privacy focused tech company when a warrants comes from abroad. For reference, Switzerland had to change their banking secrecy laws decades ago due to pressure f…

> Do we really want lawless places on this planet to exist where companies and individuals can escape the courts and law enforcement of their own nations?

Yes. If the alternative is a worldwide police state.

Re: Infomaniak comes out in support of controversial Swiss encryption law

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Post by Beijinger »

RealStickman_ wrote: post #35

Well fuck, guess I'm moving all my domains again. And I just moved away from Gandi. Does anyone have recommendations for domain registrars that support .ch and .li domains and ideally also supported by lego (my current acme client of choice)?

For .com/.net etc I can recommend internet.bs

German inwx.com is not bad for country TLDs

Besides the blaming of informaniak, their email hosing for 18 Euros a year is actually a pretty good deal. If you can live with US hosting for email, purelymail.com is worth a look.

Re: Infomaniak comes out in support of controversial Swiss encryption law

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Post by FirmwareBurner »

zarzavat wrote: post #85
FirmwareBurner wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's nowhere to go, since it's a constant game of whack-a-mole. Small island countries in the Caribbean can brag about super lax laws that aid privacy and evasion but none of them will ruin relationships with US or the EU just to protect a small 10 person privacy focused tech company when a warrants comes from abroad. For reference, Switzerland had to change their banking secrecy laws decades ago due to pressure f…

> Do we really want lawless places on this planet to exist where companies and individuals can escape the courts and law enforcement of their own nations? Yes. If the alternative is a worldwide police state.

>Yes. If the alternative is a worldwide police state.

Being held accountable for crimes is your definition of a "police state"? Interesting.

What you're trying to hint at is political persecution, and there is the possibility of asylum for that. But let's differentiate between persecution and running away from crimes, and not muddy the waters. Not all crimes are the result of persecution.

Otherwise what's stopping anyone form breaking into your house, murdering your family to rob you and then fleeing abroad on asylum to avoid legal repercussions? If that was the status quo, you probably wouldn't exist anymore right now.

The "police state" is the one ensuring your family's safety. In our modern societies, we have outsourced the monopoly on violence to the police state, so that we can focus on work and hobbies, and that comes at the expense of trusting the state and holding it accountable through democracy.

Re: Infomaniak comes out in support of controversial Swiss encryption law

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Post by bugtodiffer »

Beijinger wrote: post #84
nickslaughter02 wrote: post #20

Nym, Threema and Proton said they would leave Switzerland over this. The question is where to go. Certainly not to any EU country (ProtectEU, Chat Control). https://www.techradar.com/vpn/vpn-privacy-security/we-would-...

Russia would be pretty good right now (for non-Russians). If it is just a VPN, a "cybercompany" does not need to be incorporated somewhere. If is is just virtual, it does not have to follow any laws in a jurisdictions. Servers can come and go...

Not if you want to be paid in normal countries

Re: Infomaniak comes out in support of controversial Swiss encryption law

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Post by RealStickman_ »

Beijinger wrote: post #86
RealStickman_ wrote: post #35

Well fuck, guess I'm moving all my domains again. And I just moved away from Gandi. Does anyone have recommendations for domain registrars that support .ch and .li domains and ideally also supported by lego (my current acme client of choice)?

For .com/.net etc I can recommend internet.bs German inwx.com is not bad for country TLDs Besides the blaming of informaniak, their email hosing for 18 Euros a year is actually a pretty good deal. If you can live with US hosting for email, purelymail.com is worth a look.

Looks like INWX has a website and physical address specifically for Switzerland. I think I'll give them a try.

Re: Infomaniak comes out in support of controversial Swiss encryption law

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Post by Bengalilol »

kstrauser wrote: post #82
Bengalilol wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You may be right and I beg a pardon for my words then. I still have to dig the current law proposal (my shame). The conclusion I came to a few years ago is that anonymity in Switzerland is not something useful. Switzerland is not a police state, it mainly copes up with trying to get its citizens to being responsible. Whenever you make something wrong IRL, you have to assume the consequences. Same with online. I concu…

> Switzerland is not a police state, it mainly copes up with trying to get its citizens to being responsible. I don’t even know what to say. Every police state claims it’s only “trying to get its citizens to be responsible”.

This is me saying it, not the state. I am swiss and living freely in Switzerland btw. Where are you from?
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