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Re: KDE for Windows 10 Exiles – Upgrade your software, not your computer

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Post by neepi » Wed, Jun 04, 2025, 5:24 PM UTC

cassianoleal wrote: post #77

neepi wrote: post #58

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I read that as "We feel the customer be happy with mediocre"

Yeah... I don't think happy is even a consideration. Due to the lack of choice, the customer will have to content even if the experience is way off. As long as all the competition is more or less as bad as your product, there's very little incentive to improve on that.

Every time someone ships an Electron app to my computer it feels like I am paying for their reduction in development costs with my hardware.

Re: KDE for Windows 10 Exiles – Upgrade your software, not your computer

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Post by const_cast » Wed, Jun 04, 2025, 8:25 PM UTC

neepi wrote: post #76

const_cast wrote: post #71

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> I am glad Apple didn't do that and stayed native for nearly everything. This is a big selling point for me. Right, but Apple also perfectly exemplifies the problem with that approach - their software is incredibly limited, and can only run on a ridiculously small number of computers. Even if the software is good, which ehhh, but even if it is - there are cons to that approach. To expand, this also hurts the custome…

This is a pretty big straw man. While there are cons, you overstate all of those.

I didn't overstate them, if anything I was far too generous.

It's plainly true that Apple software locks you into Apple devices, which are more expensive than they should be. In addition, those devices are some of the most anti-consumer computers made. You can't repair them, they're locked down.

What Apple does is impressive, sure. But let's not pretend that making mediocre software that runs on 1% of computers is anything compared to the Web. They have fundamentally different goals, which is why native Apple software doesn't compete with the web.

Re: KDE for Windows 10 Exiles – Upgrade your software, not your computer

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Post by neepi » Thu, Jun 05, 2025, 6:01 AM UTC

const_cast wrote: post #82

neepi wrote: post #76

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This is a pretty big straw man. While there are cons, you overstate all of those.

I didn't overstate them, if anything I was far too generous. It's plainly true that Apple software locks you into Apple devices, which are more expensive than they should be. In addition, those devices are some of the most anti-consumer computers made. You can't repair them, they're locked down. What Apple does is impressive, sure. But let's not pretend that making mediocre software that runs on 1% of computers is an…

It doesn't. I work across both Windows and Apple stuff and have zero issues moving things back and forth on a regular basis. Hell even their email is plain IMAP+SMTP. Try that with O365/Microsoft.

As for the repair? You can literally buy parts here and repair them yourselves. I have actually had to replace a USB-C port on my last M1 MBP and it was dead easy. https://selfservicerepair.com/ . I see this everywhere I go: parroting the same misinformed garbage about their repair situation.

You just dislike Apple and can't wait to tell everyone about it.

Re: KDE for Windows 10 Exiles – Upgrade your software, not your computer

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Post by const_cast » Fri, Jun 06, 2025, 3:24 AM UTC

neepi wrote: post #83

const_cast wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't overstate them, if anything I was far too generous. It's plainly true that Apple software locks you into Apple devices, which are more expensive than they should be. In addition, those devices are some of the most anti-consumer computers made. You can't repair them, they're locked down. What Apple does is impressive, sure. But let's not pretend that making mediocre software that runs on 1% of computers is an…

It doesn't. I work across both Windows and Apple stuff and have zero issues moving things back and forth on a regular basis. Hell even their email is plain IMAP+SMTP. Try that with O365/Microsoft. As for the repair? You can literally buy parts here and repair them yourselves. I have actually had to replace a USB-C port on my last M1 MBP and it was dead easy. https://selfservicerepair.com/ . I see this everywhere I go…

1. I don't dislike Apple, I have multiple Apple products.

2. Apple devices are uniquely difficult to repair and this is done on purpose. For a long time, you couldn't do it at all. Now, you can... if you use Apple approved tools and parts.

It's just plainly dishonest to say Apple does not engage in some of the most rampant anti-repair anti-consumerist behavior in the industry. They do, and they have been for a long time.

Also yeah, O365 sucks. You know what else sucks? Webkit on IOS, iMessage, SwiftUI, Mantle. Apple loves loves loves their software vendor lock-in on technologies that nobody actually cares about. Just use real standards for fuck's sake.