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AI in my plasma physics research didn’t go the way I expected

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Re: AI in my plasma physics research didn’t go the way I expected

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> Where are the AI-driven breakthroughs? Or even the AI-driven incremental improvements? literally last week https://deepmind.google/discover/blog/alphaevolve-a-gemini-p...

But it only seems to be labs and companies that also have a vested interest in selling it as a product that are able to achieve these breakthroughs. Which is a little suspect, right?

too tinfoil hat. google is perfectly happy to spend billions dogfooding their own TPUs and not give the leading edge to the public.

Re: AI in my plasma physics research didn’t go the way I expected

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Absolutly not true I was not able to get meeting transcription in that quality that cheap ever before. I followed dictation software for over a decade and tx to ML the open source software is suddenly a lot better than ever before. Our internal company search with state of the art search indexes and search software was always shit. Now i ask an agent about a product standard and it just finds it. Image generation nev…

A lot of these issues you have had are simply user error or not using the right tool for the job.

Well, LLMs are the right tool for the job. They just work.

I mean if you are going to deny their usefulness in the face of plenty of people telling you they actually help, it’s going to be impossible to have a discussion.

Re: AI in my plasma physics research didn’t go the way I expected

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I am not a AI booster at all, but the fact that negative results are not published and that everyone is overselling their stuff in research papers is unfortunately not limited to AI. This is just a consequence of the way scientists are evaluated and of the scientific publishing industry, which basically suffers from the same shit than traditional media does (craving for audience). Anyway, winter is coming, innit?

AI just happens to be the current hype magnet, so the cracks show more clearly

Re: AI in my plasma physics research didn’t go the way I expected

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Didn't a politician invent the internet ?

Who?

Al Gore played a big role in getting political (and hence economic) support for the expansion of the Internet.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Gore_and_information_techno... :

> Al Gore, a strong and knowledgeable proponent of the Internet, promoted legislation that resulted in President George H.W Bush signing the High Performance Computing and Communication Act of 1991. This Act allocated $600 million

> In the early 1990s the Internet was big news ... In the fall of 1990, there were just 313,000 computers on the Internet; by 1996, there were close to 10 million. The networking idea became politicized during the 1992 Clinton–Gore election campaign, where the rhetoric of the information highway captured the public imagination.

Your parent comment is either joining in on the ridicule side or at least in misquoting:

> Gore became the subject of controversy and ridicule when his statement, "I took the initiative in creating the Internet", was widely quoted out of context. It was often misquoted by comedians and figures in American popular media who framed this statement as a claim that Gore believed he had personally invented the Internet.[54] Gore's actual words were widely reaffirmed by notable Internet pioneers, such as Vint Cerf and Bob Kahn, who stated, "No one in public life has been more intellectually engaged in helping to create the climate for a thriving Internet than the Vice President."

Re: AI in my plasma physics research didn’t go the way I expected

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I think this is mostly just a repeat of the problems of academia - no longer truth-seeking, instead focused on citations and careerism. AI is just a.n.other topic where that is happening.

I don't want to generalize because I do not know how widespread this pattern is, but my job has me hopping between a few HPC centers around Germany, and a pattern I notice is that, a lot of these places are chuck full of reject physicists, and a lot of the AI funding that gets distributed gets gobbled up by these people and the consequence of which is a lot of these ML4Science projects. I personally think it is a bit…

> a pattern I notice is that, a lot of these places are chuck full of reject physicists

Utter nonsense, these are some of the smartest people in the world who do incredibly valuable science.

Re: AI in my plasma physics research didn’t go the way I expected

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I'm not sure why people on HN (of all places) are so divided regarding the perception of AI/ML. I have not seen anything like it before. We literaly had not system or way of even doing things like code generation based on text input. Just last week i asked for a script to do image segmentation with a basic UI and claude just generated that for me in under 1 Minute. I could list tons of examples which are groundbreaki…

But on the flip side, the "AI will revolutionize science" narrative feels way ahead of what the evidence supports

Re: AI in my plasma physics research didn’t go the way I expected

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It is not only about the results we create with these tools, but as well about the effect they have on us as a result.

Just about tech engineering here but I do think it transfers to science as well.

https://dev.to/sebs/the-quiet-crisis-how-is-ai-eroding-our-t...

Re: AI in my plasma physics research didn’t go the way I expected

#88
Great analysis and spot on examples. Another issue with AI related research is that a lot of papers are new and not that many get published in “proper” places, yet being quoted right/left/center, just look at google scholar. It is hard to repro the results and check the validity of some statements, not to mention that research which was done 4 years ago used one set of models and now another set of models with different training data is used in tests. It is hard to establish what really affects the results and if the conclusions are applicable to some specific property of the outdated model or if it is even generalisable.

Re: AI in my plasma physics research didn’t go the way I expected

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Does anybody else find it peculiar that the majority of these articles about AI say things like "of course I don't doubt that AI will lead to major discoveries", and then go on to explain how they aren't useful in any field whatsoever? Where are the AI-driven breakthroughs? Or even the AI-driven incremental improvements? Do they exist anywhere? Or are we just using AI to remix existing general knowledge, while making…

> then go on to explain how they aren't useful in any field whatsoever

> Where are the AI-driven breakthroughs

> are we just using AI to remix existing general knowledge, while making no progress of any sort in any field using it?

The obvious example of a highly significant AI-driven breakthrough is Alphafold [1]. It has already had a large impact on biotech, helping with drug discovery, computational biology, protein engineering...

[1] https://blog.google/technology/ai/google-deepmind-isomorphic...

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