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Re: AniSora: Open-source anime video generation model

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Post by darylteo »

protocolture wrote: post #77
veonik wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dude… are you telling me it isnt actually finished? I am watching season 1 for the first time…

My memory is: 1. Haruhi is based on light novels, so has to actually perform to get a release. Japanese market is upside down, the anime often goes to free to air to support a manga release where the real money is made (I have no idea how this works economically this is just how its explained to me) as there isn't any more manga or light novels to release, the likelihood of another season is low. It was sort of alway…

The studio being firebombed probably does not factor much into it. Kyoani and Kadokawa have beef, but Kadokawa can easily contract it to another studio to do. They just don't want to because of 1.

Also don't forget to watch Disappearance after the 2 seasons.

Re: AniSora: Open-source anime video generation model

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Post by horhay »

Tade0 wrote: post #67

I would like to see how the fight scenes in The Beginning After the End could improve from being passed through this tool. In all seriousness I wonder where is this all headed? Are people long term going to be more forgiving of visual artifacts if it will mean that their favourite franchise gets another season? Or will generated imagery be shunned just like the not-so-subtle use of 3D models?

We're discussing the implications of this here when this has presented nothing novel in this medium/genre? I gave it a shot and it still has the same pitfalls for video genAI. Dealing with chains of dynamic actions is the biggest challenge, moreso with anime with its several fight scenes. No, it did not do good, and none of the non open-source models can do a good job of it for the most part either

Re: AniSora: Open-source anime video generation model

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Post by raincole »

protocolture wrote: post #74
kachapopopow wrote: post #40

Some of these are very obviously trained on webtoons and manga, probably pixiv as well. This is very clear due to seeing CG buildings and other misc artifacts. So this is obviously trained on copyrighted material. Art is something that cannot be generated like synthetic text so it will have to be nearly forever powered by human artists or else you will continue to end up with artifacting. So it makes me wonder if art…

>So this is obviously trained on copyrighted material. Is it? I have no knowledge of this product, but I recall Novel AI paid for a database of tagged Anime style images. Its not impossible for something similar to have happened here.

If you believe NovelAI is only trained on legally acquired content, I have a bridge to sell you.

Re: AniSora: Open-source anime video generation model

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Post by imtringued »

prmoustache wrote: post #69
colesantiago wrote: post #41

I welcome this. I know there is a huge market for those excited for infinite anime music videos and all things anime. This is great for an abundance of content and everyone will become anime artists now. Japan is truly is embracing AI and there will be new jobs for everyone thanks to the boom AI is creating as well as Jevons paradox which will create huge demand. Even better if this open source.

I don't know, I used to like some anime and mangas when I was 14 in the mid 90's. Nowadays it seems everyone is interested by "anime style" of content but all I see is terrible in term of quality. It seems quantity increased so much in the last 30 years it only made quality stuff more invisible and we are inundated with animelike trash.

This is absolutely correct. The quality has nosedived so hard in the first three months of 2025 that there wasn't anything worth watching whatsoever even if you were in the target demographic.

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Post by GoblinSlayer »

imiric wrote: post #65
earthnail wrote: post #47

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Here’s the argument: The output of her translations had no copyright. Language developed independently of translators. The output of artists has copyright. Artists shape the space in which they’re generating output. The fear now is that if we no longer have a market where people generate novel arts, that space will stagnate.

> The output of artists has copyright. Copyright is a very messy and divisive topic. How exactly can an artist claim ownership of a thought or an image? It is often difficult to ascertain whether a piece of art infringes on the copyright of another. There are grey areas like "fair use", which complicate this further. In many cases copyright is also abused by holders to censor art that they don't like for a myriad of…

>Art created by humans is not entirely original.

The catch here is that a human can use single sample as input, but AI needs a torrent of training data. Also when AI generates permutations of samples, does their statistic match training data?

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Post by Nevermark »

imiric wrote: post #65
earthnail wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here’s the argument: The output of her translations had no copyright. Language developed independently of translators. The output of artists has copyright. Artists shape the space in which they’re generating output. The fear now is that if we no longer have a market where people generate novel arts, that space will stagnate.

> The output of artists has copyright. Copyright is a very messy and divisive topic. How exactly can an artist claim ownership of a thought or an image? It is often difficult to ascertain whether a piece of art infringes on the copyright of another. There are grey areas like "fair use", which complicate this further. In many cases copyright is also abused by holders to censor art that they don't like for a myriad of…

Ambiguities are not a good argument against laws that still have positive outcomes.

There are very few laws that are not giant ambiguities. Where is the line between murder, self-defense and accident? There are no lines in reality.

(A law about spectrum use, or registered real estate borders, etc. can be clear. But a large amount of law isn’t.)

Something must change regarding copyright and AI model training.

But it doesn’t have to be the law, it could be technological. Perhaps some of both, but I wouldn’t rule out a technical way to avoid the implicit or explicit incorporation of copyrighted material into models yet.

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Post by sschueller »

kachapopopow wrote: post #40

Some of these are very obviously trained on webtoons and manga, probably pixiv as well. This is very clear due to seeing CG buildings and other misc artifacts. So this is obviously trained on copyrighted material. Art is something that cannot be generated like synthetic text so it will have to be nearly forever powered by human artists or else you will continue to end up with artifacting. So it makes me wonder if art…

The problem I have with the whole copyright AI thing is that the big ones benefit. If you reference any famous Copyright in chatgpt etc. you will get blocked but a small artist's stuff is not.

Open it for all or nothing.

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Post by aaclark »

rhubarbtree wrote: post #54
kachapopopow wrote: post #40

Some of these are very obviously trained on webtoons and manga, probably pixiv as well. This is very clear due to seeing CG buildings and other misc artifacts. So this is obviously trained on copyrighted material. Art is something that cannot be generated like synthetic text so it will have to be nearly forever powered by human artists or else you will continue to end up with artifacting. So it makes me wonder if art…

I think many artists will see that if they publish anything original then AI companies will immediately use it as training data without regards to copyright. The result will be less original art. They will simply stop creating it or publishing it. IMO music streaming has similarly lead to a collapse in quality music artistry, as fewer talented individuals are incentivised to go down that path. AI will do the same for…

100% Agree.

I wonder if there is a mitigation strategy for this. Is there a way to make (human-made-art) scraping robustly difficult, while leaving human discovery and exploration intact?

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Post by GoblinSlayer »

kouteiheika wrote: post #55
sshine wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s great that you have sympathy for illustrators, but I don’t see a big difference if the training data is a novel, a picture, a song, a piece of code, or even a piece of legal text. As my mom retired from being a translator, she went from typewriter to machine-assisted translation with centralised corpus-databases. All the while the available work became less and less, and the wages became lower and lower. In the…

> As my mom retired from being a translator, she went from typewriter to machine-assisted translation with centralised corpus-databases. All the while the available work became less and less, and the wages became lower and lower. She was lucky to be able to retire when she did, as the job of a translator is definitely going to become extinct. You can already get higher quality translations from machine learning model…

Maybe for dry text. Translation of art is art too and there's no such thing as higher quality art.
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