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A conversation about AI for science with Jason Pruet

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Re: A conversation about AI for science with Jason Pruet

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Clearly AI is worthy of public investment, but given the capture of this administration by tech interests, how can we be sure that public AI funding isn't just handouts to the president's cronies?

LLMs seem to be plateauing. I'd rather let the markets chase AI.

"LLM" is not mentioned anywhere in the article.

Re: A conversation about AI for science with Jason Pruet

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LLMs, maybe. AI? Hardly.

>AI? Hardly. what are some examples of 'hardly' ?

There are a ton of big examples of advances across all subfields of AI over the last year, but the first one that came to my mind was AlphaGeometry2 [0], which combines Gemini with a symbolic agent to solve (offer proofs for) the vast majority of IMO geometry problems. I believe that this sort of approach can be applied to many other types of problems.

[0] https://arxiv.org/abs/2502.03544

Re: A conversation about AI for science with Jason Pruet

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How about we fix global warming and switch 100% to clean energy, and then invest in AI?

We can't just switch to clean energy, we would need to drastically reduce our energy use per capita.

Absolutely not. We would be moving backwards as a society. Increased energy usage is a bellwether of societal advancement. See the Kardashev scale and Dyson sphere for example.

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kardashev_scale

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyson_sphere

Re: A conversation about AI for science with Jason Pruet

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What's the "reward"? I want to interrogate AI optimist type people because even if AI is completely safe and harmless I literally see only downsides. Is your perception that living in theorized extreme comfort correlates to "reward"?

You really see only downsides? I’m no AI optimist, but it is a useful tool, and it’s here to stay.

Yes, I only see downsides.

It's mostly because the actual stated and actualized goal of real AI is clearly bad.

It's like if you approached me and said "I'm going to erase meaning from your life. You will want for nothing. The entire paradigm of reality will be changed: your entire evolutionary struggle, made meaningless. You will want for nothing: "be" nothing. Also this might potentially kill you or some rich person or more likely nation-state could enslave you."

The actual stated goals seem negative to me. I'm not very interested in erasing and surpassing human achievement in every way. It seems inherently bad. I don't think that's an absurd perspective.

I think the disconnect here is asked in "what is the purpose of life" and I don't think any reasonable interpretation of that is "be obscenely comfortable".

Re: A conversation about AI for science with Jason Pruet

#86

Clearly AI is worthy of public investment, but given the capture of this administration by tech interests, how can we be sure that public AI funding isn't just handouts to the president's cronies?

The article explains that the lab would support universities by providing infrastructure.

Re: A conversation about AI for science with Jason Pruet

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LLMs seem to be plateauing. I'd rather let the markets chase AI.

"LLM" is not mentioned anywhere in the article.

There's a serious issue around naming here, I'll agree.

I assume "AI" in contemporary articles, especially as it pertains to investments, means "Generative AI, especially or exclusively LLMs."

Re: A conversation about AI for science with Jason Pruet

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"LLM" is not mentioned anywhere in the article.

There's a serious issue around naming here, I'll agree. I assume "AI" in contemporary articles, especially as it pertains to investments, means "Generative AI, especially or exclusively LLMs."

In this case it means research, as it pertains to universities.

Re: A conversation about AI for science with Jason Pruet

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When will we get AI CEOs? I am tired of seeing corporate decisions driven by quarterly bonuses.

How is this related to TFA which focuses on national (public) labs?

In any case, if you want to take a stab at it, feel free to go ahead and start a company whereby you as the owner would assign the CEO responsibilities to an AI.

Re: A conversation about AI for science with Jason Pruet

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LLMs seem to be plateauing. I'd rather let the markets chase AI.

How do you make that assessment? I'll admit, the knowledge base is not 10x every few months anymore, but the agent capabilities keep getting better. The newer models can do a lot of useful work accurately for a while. That wasn't true several months ago.

Wake me up when they solve hallucination.
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