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NASA study reveals Venus crust surprise

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Re: NASA study reveals Venus crust surprise

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Post by monkeyfun »

pastage wrote: post #69
monkeyfun wrote: post #66

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If you're interested in human habitation of Venus overall, you may find it interesting to learn Venus is probably preferable kept at about its current temperature or only made a little colder. See, the atmosphere at ~50 altitude... happens to be about 1 bar (which happens to be Earth's atmospheric pressure ASL)... and happens to have temperatures that can support human and plant life! And better still, the atmosphere…

You need to give us more. I feel that just the heat is a tricky problem, even at 50km altitude. Anything todo with Venus is very much scifi at the moment. It might be easier than a moon base but we can not know.

Oh it wouldn't be easier than a moon base or simple orbital habitats. And as for Venus being scifi, anything to do with space colonization period is scifi right now; humans haven't even stepped foot on another celestial body of any kind in over half a century.

Rather my meaning was that it's (a little shockingly) the best suited planet for humans in terms of most closely and reliably resembling conditions humans could survive in, which relates to the terraforming notions I was replying to.

It'd be overwhelmingly harder to make all of Venus Earthlike than to just use the existing relatively Earthlike regions of the upper atmosphere to our advantage along with their unique properties. Cool off Venus and you just get a big ocean of liquid or frozen co2 to have to deal with after a loooong time and a lot of construction. Keep it like it is and a fraction of the resources/effort will yield far more utility while we can still enjoy a segment of the atmosphere.

Scifi? Of course!

Cool? Without a doubt!

Re: NASA study reveals Venus crust surprise

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casenmgreen wrote: post #72
zo1 wrote: post #71

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> No. Let's first feed the homeless and struggling, and fix the crisis that are affecting ordinary people. I may be wrong, but it's not money that's the problem; there's plenty of money. (I would also point out the NASA budget is a miniscule spec of dust compared to the total budget.) It seems to me the problem is organization and politics - actually doing the right things to address these problems. It's like, say, M…

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Re: NASA study reveals Venus crust surprise

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Post by dangrossman »

protocolture wrote: post #48
trelane wrote: post #26

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The full proposed budget is available at https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/Fiscal... folks are interested in seeing the whole picture and reasoning.

wp-content? Am I the only one shocked to see wordpress here.

The WH website switched from Drupal to WordPress in 2017.

Re: NASA study reveals Venus crust surprise

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Post by potato3732842 »

sph wrote: post #78
Animats wrote: post #75

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Supposedly, the Senate Launch System boondoggle is being killed, but not until 2027, by which time the Artemis III moon landing is supposed to happen. Since Artemis II (manned flight around the moon) has been delayed again, that's unlikely. Ninth Space-X Starship/Super Heavy launch some time this month.

> Senate Launch System Where can I contribute to put all the senators in a spaceship and yeet them into outer space?

I propose we just yeet one of them and see if the rest clean up their act.

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Post by sethammons »

zo1 wrote: post #71
gammarator wrote: post #15

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> But 50% of NASA's science funding is gone. The proposed cuts to science are catastrophic, but there’s still time to call your Congressperson. https://aas.org/posts/news/2025/05/week-of-action

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Article 1, Section 8 of the constitution says that congress, in addition to having the power to raise taxes and borrow and regulating commerce, is charged "To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts." This is listed before their ability to declare war and fund the military. And listed before their ability to make law.

Art and science funding is listed before funding the military and law making as a responsibility of congress. That was written in that order intentionally.

Re: NASA study reveals Venus crust surprise

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Post by pfdietz »

andrewflnr wrote: post #56
pfdietz wrote: post #52

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You'd have to shoot it out of the solar system, otherwise much of it would reaccrete onto Venus... or onto Earth!

I guess I'll count that as another reason to prefer managing it in situ. But it might be fine, actually? Slow re-accretion can probably be managed by whatever terraforming process we've kickstarted while most of it was gone. Oh wait, I remember the plan, ship it to Mars so they can have some decent atmospheric pressure.

Mars could use only a small fraction of it. If the entire atmosphere of Venus were moved to Mars, the surface pressure there would be 120 bars (more at the lowest point).

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Post by acdha »

zo1 wrote: post #71
gammarator wrote: post #15

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> But 50% of NASA's science funding is gone. The proposed cuts to science are catastrophic, but there’s still time to call your Congressperson. https://aas.org/posts/news/2025/05/week-of-action

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The administration is cutting public services so they can say there’s enough of a budget surplus to cut taxes, especially on the top end. If you look at the current bill being assembled, the cuts are targeted at the kind of programs you’re talking about, cutting things like Medicaid and SNAP to lower taxes with most of the benefits going to the higher tax brackets.

https://thehill.com/newsletters/morning-report/5296716-house...

https://apnews.com/article/congress-tax-cuts-republicans-med...

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Post by sharpshadow »

casenmgreen wrote: post #72
zo1 wrote: post #71

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> No. Let's first feed the homeless and struggling, and fix the crisis that are affecting ordinary people. I may be wrong, but it's not money that's the problem; there's plenty of money. (I would also point out the NASA budget is a miniscule spec of dust compared to the total budget.) It seems to me the problem is organization and politics - actually doing the right things to address these problems. It's like, say, M…

Just want to point out that there is also the health factor to homeless people, specifically brain damage from substance abuse. Once the brain is damaged to a certain degree it can’t be recovered and there is little to no help for that person. Most importantly is to catch people falling into homelessness and prevent extensive drug abuse in general.

Re: NASA study reveals Venus crust surprise

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Post by LastMuel »

potato3732842 wrote: post #85
sph wrote: post #78

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> Senate Launch System Where can I contribute to put all the senators in a spaceship and yeet them into outer space?

I propose we just yeet one of them and see if the rest clean up their act.

Is there something to suggest that they would actually be good at their jobs if they were to be better motivated? I’m not seeing it.
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