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Re: NSF faces shake-up as officials abolish its 37 divisions

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How do you figure? If they simply changed the grant writing process back to what it was before Biden, that argument would make sense. Cutting back funding and approvals wholesale points to a more nefarious know-nothing attitude toward research.

I agree. Read more carefully what I wrote.

I read it, I just disagree. Bidens DEI policies aren’t why they are gutting the NSF, that’s just an excuse.

Re: NSF faces shake-up as officials abolish its 37 divisions

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This isn't about science, issues, or voting. The message is: "We don't like you and it would be better if you weren't around". Also, why is NSF fielding 40,000 proposals per year? That is 110 proposals per day. Is there really that much science to perform and not enough universities to host it? Not at all. It exists because every state and local government and educational institution is incentivized to solicit federa…

> Is there really that much science to perform yes

"Reality has a surprising amount of detail."

Re: NSF faces shake-up as officials abolish its 37 divisions

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This isn't about science, issues, or voting. The message is: "We don't like you and it would be better if you weren't around". Also, why is NSF fielding 40,000 proposals per year? That is 110 proposals per day. Is there really that much science to perform and not enough universities to host it? Not at all. It exists because every state and local government and educational institution is incentivized to solicit federa…

And only 20% gets funded.

Re: NSF faces shake-up as officials abolish its 37 divisions

#84

Last week, staff were briefed on a new process for vetting grant proposals that are found to be out of step with a presidential directive on diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI),... In the new structure, even if a revised proposal gets the green light from a division director, a new body whose membership has not been determined will take a fresh look to ensure it conforms to the agency’s new standard for making awa…

These are the same people that zeroed out research funding on transgenic mice because they thought it was the same as transgendered.

Re: NSF faces shake-up as officials abolish its 37 divisions

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> forcing the inclusion of woke, DEI language in totally unrelated grants, even in areas such as maths What? Can you show any examples of this?

We have two crazy policies:

- Forcing this irrelevant nonsense into maths grant applications.

- Cancelling the grant applications because they contain this nonsense.

And science is the loser.

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One example:

This grant was for $500,000:

" Elliptic and Parabolic Partial Differential Equations

ABSTRACT Partial differential equations (PDE) are mathematical tools that are used to model natural phenomena like electromagnetism, astronomy, and fluid dynamics, for example. This project is concerned with understanding how the solutions to such equations behave. The Laplace equation

[...] Motivated by the goal of increasing participation from underrepresented groups [...]

The Laplace equation is a PDE that models steady-state phenomena in a truly uniform environment. Since the world that we live in is not an isotropic vacuum, the mathematical equations that govern many natural phenomena are often more complicated than Laplace’s equation. For example, the Schrodinger equation [...] "

https://www.nicheoverview.com/grant/?grant_id=nsf_2236491

Re: NSF faces shake-up as officials abolish its 37 divisions

#86

Last week, staff were briefed on a new process for vetting grant proposals that are found to be out of step with a presidential directive on diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI),... In the new structure, even if a revised proposal gets the green light from a division director, a new body whose membership has not been determined will take a fresh look to ensure it conforms to the agency’s new standard for making awa…

They're even sending letters to foreign governments "ordering" them to cut all DEI programs. OTHER GOVERNMENTS. Insanity.

Re: NSF faces shake-up as officials abolish its 37 divisions

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You’ve offered no evidence of “DEI in maths” or any of your other confidently unsubstantiated arguments. You’re just parroting talking points. Unserious takes deserve unserious responses.

Re: NSF faces shake-up as officials abolish its 37 divisions

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Last week, staff were briefed on a new process for vetting grant proposals that are found to be out of step with a presidential directive on diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI),... In the new structure, even if a revised proposal gets the green light from a division director, a new body whose membership has not been determined will take a fresh look to ensure it conforms to the agency’s new standard for making awa…

> So they're going to install gatekeepers to shoot down anything that even hints at DEI.

Or science that conflicts with the whims of Trump's administration. This includes anti-scientific rhetoric and conflicts with the bribe pipelines.

Re: NSF faces shake-up as officials abolish its 37 divisions

#90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree. Read more carefully what I wrote.

I read it, I just disagree. Bidens DEI policies aren’t why they are gutting the NSF, that’s just an excuse.

That is not what you wrote:

"How do you figure? If they simply changed the grant writing process back to what it was before Biden, that argument would make sense."

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