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Re: Gemini 2.5 Pro Preview

#81
post #44

I agree it's very good but the UI is still usually an unusable, scroll-jacking disaster. I've found it's best to let a chat sit for around a few minutes after it has finished printing the AI's output. Finding the `ms-code-block` element in dev tools and logging `$0.textContext` is reliable too.

Noticed this too. There's something funny about billion dollar models being handicapped by stuck buttons.

The Gemini app has a number of severe bugs that impacts everyone who uses it, and those bugs have persisted for over 6 months.

There's something seriously dysfunctional and incompetent about the team that built that web app. What a way to waste the best LLM in the world.

Re: Gemini 2.5 Pro Preview

#82

Hasn't Gemini 2.5 Pro been out for a while? At first I was very impressed with it's coding abilities, switching off of Claud for it but recently I've been using GPT o3 which I find is much more concise and generally better at problem solving when you hit an error.

Think that was still the experimental model incorrectly labeled by many platforms as “Pro”

Re: Gemini 2.5 Pro Preview

#83

My frustration with using these models for programming in the past has largely been around their tendency to hallucinate APIs that simply don't exist. The Gemini 2.5 models, both pro and flash, seem significantly less susceptible to this than any other model I've tried. There are still significant limitations, no amount of prompting will get current models to approach abstraction and architecture the way a person doe…

I asked today both Claude and ChatGPT to fix a Grafana Loki query I was trying to build, both hallucinated functions that didn't exist, even when telling to use existing functions.

To my surprise, Gemini got it spot on first time.

Re: Gemini 2.5 Pro Preview

#84
post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm literally working on this particular problem. Locally-run server; browser-based interface instead of TUI/CLI; connects to all the major model APIs; many, many quality of life and feature improvements over other tools that hook into your browser. Drop me a line (see profile) if you're interested in beta testing it when it's out.

I'm actually very happy with everything in Claude code, eg the CLI so im really just curious to try other models

Same! I prefer the CLI, way easier when I’m connected via ssh from another network somewhere.

Re: Gemini 2.5 Pro Preview

#85
post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tell it not to write so many comments then. You have a great deal of flexibility in dictating the coding style and can even include that style in your system prompt or upload a coding style document and have Gemini use it.

Every time I ask an LLM to not write comments, it still litters it with comments. Is Gemini better about that?

LLMs are extremely poor at following negative instructions, tell them what to do, not what not to do.

Re: Gemini 2.5 Pro Preview

#86
I wonder how the latest version of Grok 3 would stack up to Gemini 2.5 Pro on the web dev arena leaderboard. They are still just showing the original early access model for some reason, despite there being API access to the latest model. I've been using Grok 3 with Aider Chat and have been very impressed with it. I get $150 of free API credits every month by allowing them to train on my data, which I'm fine with since I'm just working on personal side projects. Gemini 2.5 Pro and Claude 3.7 might be a little better than Grok 3, but I can't justify the cost when Grok doesn't cost me a penny to use.

Re: Gemini 2.5 Pro Preview

#87
I use Gemini for almost everything. But their model card[1] only compares to o3-mini! In known benchmarks o3 is still ahead:

        +------------------------------+---------+--------------+
        |         Benchmark            |   o3    | Gemini 2.5   |
        |                              |         |    Pro       |
        +------------------------------+---------+--------------+
        | ARC-AGI (High Compute)       |  87.5%  |     —        |
        | GPQA Diamond (Science)       |  87.7%  |   84.0%      |
        | AIME 2024 (Math)             |  96.7%  |   92.0%      |
        | SWE-bench Verified (Coding)  |  71.7%  |   63.8%      |
        | Codeforces Elo Rating        |  2727   |     —        |
        | MMMU (Visual Reasoning)      |  82.9%  |   81.7%      |
        | MathVista (Visual Math)      |  86.8%  |     —        |
        | Humanity’s Last Exam         |  26.6%  |   18.8%      |
        +------------------------------+---------+--------------+
[1] https://storage.googleapis.com/model-cards/documents/gemini-...

Re: Gemini 2.5 Pro Preview

#88
post #13
post #11

I don't know if I'm doing something wrong, but every time I ask gemini 2.5 for code it outputs SO MANY comments. An exaggerated amount of comments. Sections comments, step comments, block comments, inline comments, all the gang.

And comments are bad? I mean you could tell it to not comment the code or to self-document with naming instead of inline comments, its a LLM it does what you tell it to

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Re: Gemini 2.5 Pro Preview

#89
post #4

>Best-in-class frontend web development It really is wild to have seen this happen over the last year. The days of traditional "design-to-code" FE work are completely over. I haven't written a line of HTML/CSS in months. If you are still doing this stuff by hand, you need to adapt fast. In conjunction with an agentic coding IDE and a few MCP tools, weeks worth of UI work are now done in hours to a higher level of qua…

i'm surprised by no line of css html in months. maybe it's an exageration and that's okay. However, just today i was building a website for fun with gemini and had to manually fix some issues with css that he struggled with. as it often happens, trying to let it repair the damage only made it go into a pit of despair (for me). i fixed the issues in about a glance and 5 minutes. This is not to say it's bad, but someti…

I have pretty good luck with AI assistants with CSS and with theming React components like MUI where you have to figure out what to put in an sx or a theme. Sure beats looking through 50 standards documents (fortunately not a lot of "document A invalidates document B" in that pile) or digging through wrong answers where ignoramuses hold court on StackOverflow.

Re: Gemini 2.5 Pro Preview

#90
man that endless commenting seriously kills my flow - gotta say, even after all the prompts and hacks, still can't get these models to chill out. you think we'll ever get ai to stop overdoing it and actually fit real developer habits or is it always gonna be like this?
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