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Re: An Alabama landline that keeps ringing

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What a fun surprise to see this on HN! I had the opportunity to work the Foy Desk a few times during my undergrad at Auburn in the early 2000s - mostly as a volunteer while the regular workers would be in meetings. At the time we had a multi-page list of common questions and answers, the Internet (as it was then), as well as access to university computer systems for things like class schedule lookups. The most common…

But do you remember how many bricks there are in Haley Center?

Re: An Alabama landline that keeps ringing

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It is a severe reach to say that AI can provide human connection. At best, it can provide the illusion, for some. And for those people, I'm not going to say that that's not valuable or legitimate for them. But it's pushing it one step too far to imply that that's a good idea for everyone.

God help us if we determine there is nothing special about human cognition. A lot of people are putting a lot of faith in what amounts to the soul. I’m not at all sure it exists.

Existence of a/the soul isn't the only reason machines cannot replace people in the context of something like this.

One reason is that the human experience is dependent upon the biological nature of man. The biological systems color the experience. The pumping of blood, the nervous system, the heart beating, and ultimately, one's awareness of the specific type of mortality inherent to biological organisms, are integral to the experience. If you accurately reproduce that experience then perhaps you've simply made a human rather than a machine. Of course that claim spurs many subsequent philosophical arguments. Ultimately though, a video game console emulator is not the literal console no matter how accurate it is.

A second reason is simply the subjective experience of a person. Regardless of how accurate the simulation is, ultimately, if the person is aware the other end isn't human, the experience is tainted (for better or worse depending on the individual's opinion - but tainted nonetheless). Knowledge of the truth will necessarily affect the experience. The alternative - being in the dark or outright deception - raises other questions of genuinity that taint the experience.

A conversation with a human, by another human, will never be the same as a conversation with a machine - by definition.

Re: An Alabama landline that keeps ringing

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Somewhere someone is probably still working as an elevator operator too. Like when I was a kid I had a job shoveling coal into a boiler. And someone is still manufacturing buggy whips. The future is unevenly distributed. Call Bunny Watson and ask her, she'll confirm.

They still exist in certain NYC buildings

Either cause the elevator is super old or because union contracts require them.

Then there are hospitals I’ve been in that have them.

Re: An Alabama landline that keeps ringing

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The AI can provide both the human connection and the answers.

It cannot because it is not human. It can emulate the experience but it will never be genuine. Generally, if a caller ever became aware that it wasn't truly a person on the other end it would lessen the interaction. Whether that is justified or not is debatable, but it is nonetheless the case and thus the end result is not the same.

It may not be the same, but it could be a better overall experience compared to using humans.

Re: An Alabama landline that keeps ringing

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The AI can provide both the human connection and the answers.

It is a severe reach to say that AI can provide human connection. At best, it can provide the illusion, for some. And for those people, I'm not going to say that that's not valuable or legitimate for them. But it's pushing it one step too far to imply that that's a good idea for everyone.

And the illusion only has to last the duration of a phone call. I think it's a reasonable bar that can be passed today.

Re: An Alabama landline that keeps ringing

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It cannot because it is not human. It can emulate the experience but it will never be genuine. Generally, if a caller ever became aware that it wasn't truly a person on the other end it would lessen the interaction. Whether that is justified or not is debatable, but it is nonetheless the case and thus the end result is not the same.

It may not be the same, but it could be a better overall experience compared to using humans.

Interesting point that I also alluded to elsewhere. The perspective of good/bad could vary highly depending on the individual. And really, it could vary highly based on what any one individual is looking for out of a particular conversation at that moment: unconditonal affirmation, critical obversations, etc.
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