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We fell out of love with Next.js and back in love with Ruby on Rails

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Re: We fell out of love with Next.js and back in love with Ruby on Rails

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Post by ajb92 »

stavros wrote: post #52
qudat wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having a server provide an island or rendering framework for your site can be more complex than an SPA with static assets and nginx. You still have to deal with all the tooling you are talking about, right? You’ve just moved the goalpost to the BE. And just like the specific use cases you mentioned for client routing I can also argue that many sites don’t care about SEO or first paint so those are non features. So ho…

I disagree, the problem with an SPA is that now you have two places where you manage state (the backend and the frontend). That gives you much more opportunity for the two places to disagree, and now you have bugs.

Who says your backend needs to manage state?

Re: We fell out of love with Next.js and back in love with Ruby on Rails

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Post by kayodelycaon »

qudat wrote: post #32
abhisek wrote: post #17

Rail is probably one of the most intuitive framework that I have ever used. No doubt it is highly opinionated but it hides all the complexity for small to medium applications.

It’s funny how some claim it’s intuitive while others complain about its magical nature.

It all depends what you’re working with. ActiveRecord can get gnarly. The rest of it is pretty easy to understand once you know what methods are called.

I think what confuses people is Ruby’s meta programming. The ability to dynamically define named methods makes rails seem far more magical than it actually is. You also can’t tell the difference between method calls and local variables.

Re: We fell out of love with Next.js and back in love with Ruby on Rails

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Post by dismalaf »

qudat wrote: post #32
abhisek wrote: post #17

Rail is probably one of the most intuitive framework that I have ever used. No doubt it is highly opinionated but it hides all the complexity for small to medium applications.

It’s funny how some claim it’s intuitive while others complain about its magical nature.

Some people want to get things done and others want to play with legos.

Re: We fell out of love with Next.js and back in love with Ruby on Rails

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Post by swyx »

> Our hosting bill grew from $30 in April to $142 by June, $354 in August. Hardcover was growing, but 10x cost increase in a few months was too much.

without ANY irony or sarcasm, i just want appreciate that its funny how that happens completely without explicit desire or intention to have this effect from the developers of Next (i'm serious, don't hate me guys, we are friends, i do believe that this ofc is not intended)

i'm sure there's a good and meaningful explanation (that I'm interested in reading) but lots of little microdecisions compound when the developer of the framework does not also experience it as a paying customer (or, more subtly, the developer of the framework wants to serve the 10000x larger enterprise customer and needs to make choices to balance that vs the needs of the small)

Re: We fell out of love with Next.js and back in love with Ruby on Rails

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Post by elondaits »

hijp wrote: post #33

I think if Rails had focused on giving real first party support to interoperability with whatever frontend framework you brought to the table it would be so much bigger right now. They put a lot of work into Hotwire but I just want to use React, and I'm sure others want to use what they're familiar with.

I’m hardly an expert with Rails, and I integrated React twice, on two very different sites, using API controllers. The nice thing about React is that you can limit it to an island on the page, and don’t need to buy into the router, etc. that said, I did disable Hotwire to make my life easier.

Re: We fell out of love with Next.js and back in love with Ruby on Rails

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Post by ahnick »

wordofx wrote: post #47
copperx wrote: post #40

Rails is still wonderful. But someone should fork Rails so it ceases to be associated with DHH. CEOs who reveal who they really are become really toxic to the brand. We've seen that happen with Tesla.

What’s DHH done?

He became very unpopular for his no politics at work stance at the time, but it seems to have ultimately been the right call in the long run. The toxic individuals left and 37signals is stronger than ever.

Re: We fell out of love with Next.js and back in love with Ruby on Rails

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Post by fteem »

matthewmacleod wrote: post #42
henning wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's really nothing to rave about because the ideas it introduced have all become standard. Rails is aggressively OK.

They honestly really haven’t though. I’d’ve thought they would’ve by now, but I still find bringing up a backend with something like Go to be annoyingly tedious and feature-incomplete in comparison. Like yeah, I know you can do it. But it was much more effort to do things like writing robust migrations or frontend templates. I’d love to find something in Go or Typescript that made me feel quite as productive as Rails…

Preach. I found the whole "just use stdlib" culture in Go so annoying. I love the language (both Go and Ruby actually), but Go's ecosystem and tooling is eons behind.

Maybe I am comparing apples and oranges, not sure.

Re: We fell out of love with Next.js and back in love with Ruby on Rails

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Post by dismalaf »

wordofx wrote: post #47
copperx wrote: post #40

Rails is still wonderful. But someone should fork Rails so it ceases to be associated with DHH. CEOs who reveal who they really are become really toxic to the brand. We've seen that happen with Tesla.

What’s DHH done?

Has aggressively moderate political opinions...

Americans don't seem to understand nuance, so when DHH posts about support for people's right to protest, how he loves being a father, how he doesn't want politics in the workplace and doesn't proclaim the sky is falling because of politics they seem to think he's the devil.

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