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Re: Reading RSS content is a skilled activity

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> And that's also where the magic lies because it's that very process of engaging with content and deciding whether or not it has value to you that makes using an RSS reader a better experience and one where you own your attention. Back when RSS was more popular, the tyranny of never-ending backlogs was a topic that was discussed somewhat regularly, but it gets glossed over a little these days since RSS talk is natur…

RSS came of age in a very different time, when the world of computing was more, for lack of a better term, workstation-centric. People wanted RSS clients that were similar to email clients, or maybe even integrated directly into the email client, and they had this idea that they should 'catch up' on everything that was published since their last session, almost like it was a job. Nowadays people have an implicit unde…

> "Nowadays people have an implicit understanding that the net is vast and infinite, it's beyond the ability of one man to fully catch up, and you're just tuning into a slice of the data stream".

This is beautifully written, and condense enough to explain to anyone why we're burnt out with consumption.

Your full comment is spot on, and like you, I don’t have a perfect solution. Digests are a good idea, but there’s always going to be some kind of bias, whether it’s set by you, by an algorithm, or by another human. I think the real challenge is to create a digest that gives you a personal, meaningful view while still leaving the door open to a wider context. But if you lean too far into broadening it, you risk losing that sense of ownership and relevance. It’s a tough balance.

Re: Reading RSS content is a skilled activity

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Re: Reading RSS content is a skilled activity

#83
post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

RSS came of age in a very different time, when the world of computing was more, for lack of a better term, workstation-centric. People wanted RSS clients that were similar to email clients, or maybe even integrated directly into the email client, and they had this idea that they should 'catch up' on everything that was published since their last session, almost like it was a job. Nowadays people have an implicit unde…

> "Nowadays people have an implicit understanding that the net is vast and infinite, it's beyond the ability of one man to fully catch up, and you're just tuning into a slice of the data stream". This is beautifully written, and condense enough to explain to anyone why we're burnt out with consumption. Your full comment is spot on, and like you, I don’t have a perfect solution. Digests are a good idea, but there’s al…

Thank you,

> there’s always going to be some kind of bias, whether it’s set by you, by an algorithm, or by another human

This is spot on, and why I become more of a free software radical every year. Even though these UX experiments roll around in my head, I doubt you can make any algorithm that is "unbiased" and perfect for all people.

Ergo the only real solution is to let a thousand algorithms bloom, and give people the ability to select the ones they want; this is getting back to the idea of the software being a "user agent" that fetches content for you and does what you want it to do, as opposed to being an advertiser's agent. Maybe there's some alternate reality out there where everything was AGPL'ed from the get-go and Facebook et al got forked a thousand times and had to compete with forks that were more user friendly. Or barring that maybe the problem gets solved in 100 years with a dozen Mastodon forks blooming, I don't know, but I'm sure if you could choose your algorithm, it would look nothing like the Instagram app in particular does today, which is my personal choice for the most mind-destroying software I find myself sometimes using

Or maybe if the government succeeds in breaking the monopolies that rule over both social media and the online advertising industry...?

Re: Reading RSS content is a skilled activity

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post #77

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Definitely the `Chain of Trust` concept can be applied to anything. For example Social Media Protocol developers have thought a lot about using CoTrust, to be able to block undesirable people (moderation), by following a 'whitelist' only of users you trust or ones they trust, down a dependency tree of trust. Interestingly you could decentralize this onto some Relay system like Nostr and use Crypto signing, where each…

Nostr isn't decentralized because you need to choose relays.

The fact that you can choose relays and even run your own is very much why nostr is decentralized...

Re: Reading RSS content is a skilled activity

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post #84
post #77

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Nostr isn't decentralized because you need to choose relays.

The fact that you can choose relays and even run your own is very much why nostr is decentralized...

Oh, well then Reddit is decentralized because I can just run my own copy.

Re: Reading RSS content is a skilled activity

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post #84
post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nostr isn't decentralized because you need to choose relays.

The fact that you can choose relays and even run your own is very much why nostr is decentralized...

He will just continue the "No True Scotsman" fallacy, asserting his definition of the word is the one true and pure one, and all other uses are thereby wrong.

Re: Reading RSS content is a skilled activity

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I use RSS since ages. I would categorize the usefulness in two dimensions:

A) News feed consumption in a more structured way, avoiding shifting placements of articles on websites, layout nightmares, ....

B) Follow blogs and other once in a while publications.

At least for A) I hope to get / find some AI support that helps to consume the "firehose". I have subscribed to multiple news outlets that typically have significant overlap in their coverage.

I'm thinking about:

- Duplicate removal from the RSS feed. Same article (slightly modified) published multiple times or intentionally republished at a different time (typical on e.g Business Insider).

- Aggregate (list together) all articles to a certain topic, that are more or less similar, so getting away from sorting (only) by feed to more by topic. I realized a while back, that it's easier for me to consume "similar" stuff than constantly switching dimensions. For me I have my feed groups sep. by language. It was too hard to have articles in a wild language mix order.

- Better distinguish between "Hot topic" vs. "Isolated, but valuable pieces".

- Self defined "Summary function" for articles I'm currently reading to get to the core of the news.

Re: Reading RSS content is a skilled activity

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post #71

You don't have to read everything you're subscribed to. I'll wake up and have, say, 150 or so unread items in my feed reader, and I'll just take 5 minutes or so hitting the next button and marking them as read, and if there's something I care to actually read I'll mark it unread and move on. Then once I've actually found everything I want to read I'll go back and actually read those. A Eurogamer article on a game I d…

I'm shocked hearing there are people who try to read everything in their RSS queue. That's madness. I get 300-600 in any given day. What it does though is give me a range of headlines from news sources I've chosen to follow, that I can skim through, and read maybe 10-30 of on a given day (for some definition of "read" anyway...engage with would be more accurate). Heck, it's how I got here in the first place.

Yeah, that’s what I find. In fact I’m only on this article catching up with my RSS.

I skim through, I arrange feeds in folders alphabetically sorted by both priority and subject. I constantly remove feeds I find too noisy, and I sort chronologically (ascending). I update read status in bulk based on my scroll position (mark above as read). It works really well, though took about a year to figure out what works best for me.

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