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Re: The tools I love are made by awful people

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Post by Tepix » Thu, Apr 24, 2025, 5:48 AM UTC

switch007 wrote: post #70

lenkite wrote: post #12

I would love it if I could use Linux on the Desktop. Windows 11 feels a practical joke played on humanity by Nadella. The new Macbooks have amazing hardware, but the software quality has deteriorated considerably - even spotlight has bugs nowadays. However, I need basic sleep/restore to work on my laptop - and it feels like this is a Mars-mission-effort level problem for Linux to solve. If the Linux Software Foundati…

People simply can't have the same expectations of hardware as with Windows. You must select your hardware for Linux support. They make heroic efforts in supporting a variety of hardware but if you have the choice it's better to use hardware with better support. There are vendors like System76 and Dell who offer Linux support Ubuntu has a certified hardware list: https://ubuntu.com/certified I'm confused that people t…

The Dell Latitude 7440 has a webcam (made by Intel) that works with Ubuntu 22.04 but not with Ubuntu 24.04. A really crappy user experience.

(I think the design of the webcam is to blame)

Re: The tools I love are made by awful people

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Post by dismalaf » Thu, Apr 24, 2025, 5:48 AM UTC

adastra22 wrote: post #32

Animats wrote: post #8

I've been entirely on Linux for over fifteen years now. And I used to develop for Win32.

Most people I know who are 100% Linux users are like you. They don’t know what they are missing, and they are happy.

What do you think Linux users are missing?

Re: The tools I love are made by awful people

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Post by tdb7893 » Thu, Apr 24, 2025, 5:50 AM UTC

imgabe wrote: post #4

There’s this modern affliction where people believe they are morally responsible for the actions of every person they buy anything from. For your own sanity, please let this go. You are responsible for your own actions. If you buy a pen from a psychopath and he uses the money to buy a bullet and shoot someone, that’s not your fault. He’s responsible for his actions. It’s like everyone somehow forgot that other humans…

Your purchasing decisions are one of the more significant ways you impact the world and it makes sense people want to be cognizant of how they are effecting other people.

Though I recognize depending on people's mental health it can be stressful to think about and if you can't then it's okay, one of my friends in particular was worrying about what she was buying to the point where it was a significant source of stress in her life and that wasn't good (though therapy for her general anxiety helped a ton so she's now concientious about what she buys while not stressing over it. It took her a while to get there though).

Re: The tools I love are made by awful people

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Apr 24, 2025, 5:51 AM UTC

cweagans wrote: post #19

mastazi wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

you can be pragmatic and choose not to buy from certain companies whose behaviour you consider egregious, while at the same time not having to worry about each single expense you make. Deciding what bank you will get your home loan from -> not something you do every day, it's ok to do some research Deciding what cafe you will get your next lungo from -> not worth your time

Isn’t that the same as “just avoid things you’re morally opposed to as time and energy allows”? Why even bother with taking a moral stand if you only do it when it’s convenient?

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Re: The tools I love are made by awful people

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Post by Ekaros » Thu, Apr 24, 2025, 5:52 AM UTC

lieblingautor wrote: post #14

is linux made by good people?

Stallman is interesting personality. To put it politely. Does he belong to good people? Somewhat orthogonal question. And goodness of his stances on software is also well something that can be debated validly.

Re: The tools I love are made by awful people

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Apr 24, 2025, 5:53 AM UTC

Tepix wrote: post #81

switch007 wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People simply can't have the same expectations of hardware as with Windows. You must select your hardware for Linux support. They make heroic efforts in supporting a variety of hardware but if you have the choice it's better to use hardware with better support. There are vendors like System76 and Dell who offer Linux support Ubuntu has a certified hardware list: https://ubuntu.com/certified I'm confused that people t…

The Dell Latitude 7440 has a webcam (made by Intel) that works with Ubuntu 22.04 but not with Ubuntu 24.04. A really crappy user experience. (I think the design of the webcam is to blame)

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Re: The tools I love are made by awful people

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Post by giomasce » Thu, Apr 24, 2025, 5:54 AM UTC

imgabe wrote: post #4

There’s this modern affliction where people believe they are morally responsible for the actions of every person they buy anything from. For your own sanity, please let this go. You are responsible for your own actions. If you buy a pen from a psychopath and he uses the money to buy a bullet and shoot someone, that’s not your fault. He’s responsible for his actions. It’s like everyone somehow forgot that other humans…

Sure, I am responsible for my own actions, and buying something is an action I (can) make. Therefore I bear responsibility for the side effects of my buying actions. Not the same kind of direct responsibility of those that directly make bad actions, and I don't think I should become insane over evaluating the impact of every single thing I buy, but there's a middle ground between that and ignoring the side effect of anything you buy.

There's a better viewpoint on that, though: ignore moral responsibility, think in terms of agency. Choosing from whom you buy is one of the few ways you (as an ordinary citizen) have to make the world a little steer towards a better form of itself. My own choice alone won't change much (which is correct, otherwise we'd be in an economic dictatorship), but if many people consistently care about that capitalism will work its magic and make wonders happen.

Re: The tools I love are made by awful people

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Post by merouan » Thu, Apr 24, 2025, 5:56 AM UTC

imgabe wrote: post #72

merouan wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hmm, this doesn't track with history. Boycotts, and more generally collective economic action (strikes, etc), are an incredibly powerful form of protest. People have shaped the world through refusing to buy from oppressive forces - case in point, the boycotts of South Africa during apartheid successfully pressured South Africa out of apartheid. We got our collective rights as workers (40 hour work days, etc) through…

Boycotts are a different thing. A successful boycott targets a specific company about a specific issue that that company has the ability to change. When the company changes the thing, the boycott ends. The bus boycotts in the US Civil Rights movement are a good example. "Hey bus company, we're going to stop riding your buses until you end your racist seating policies". It's clear what they wanted to happen, and it wa…

Sounds cynical. Sure, people are not organized. They lack strategy and insight. It takes time to get there.

Sure, there is definitely a performative thing out there, and maybe this is that.

My point is this - now is a time when we need more collective action, not less. So, rather than taking up space putting down someone who may simply not know what the next step is, why not give the world the energy that it so desperately needs? Now is a time to encourage people. What you (yes, you) put out in the world matters.

Re: The tools I love are made by awful people

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Apr 24, 2025, 5:56 AM UTC

cweagans wrote: post #19

mastazi wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

you can be pragmatic and choose not to buy from certain companies whose behaviour you consider egregious, while at the same time not having to worry about each single expense you make. Deciding what bank you will get your home loan from -> not something you do every day, it's ok to do some research Deciding what cafe you will get your next lungo from -> not worth your time

Isn’t that the same as “just avoid things you’re morally opposed to as time and energy allows”? Why even bother with taking a moral stand if you only do it when it’s convenient?

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Re: The tools I love are made by awful people

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Post by nektro » Thu, Apr 24, 2025, 5:59 AM UTC

lenkite wrote: post #12

I would love it if I could use Linux on the Desktop. Windows 11 feels a practical joke played on humanity by Nadella. The new Macbooks have amazing hardware, but the software quality has deteriorated considerably - even spotlight has bugs nowadays. However, I need basic sleep/restore to work on my laptop - and it feels like this is a Mars-mission-effort level problem for Linux to solve. If the Linux Software Foundati…

i use a framework 13 with nixos and have perfect sleep and wake