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Kagi Assistant is now available to all users

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Re: Kagi Assistant is now available to all users

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Post by louthy »

baobabKoodaa wrote: post #79

I don't like how this was rolled out. I'm currently paying for "Unlimited Kagi Assistant" and the Kagi website STILL advertises "Unlimited Kagi Assistant". And they stealthily rolled in limits? I pay the same amount, but it's no longer unlimited, and I only know about this because I happened to notice it on HN. Otherwise I would only know after hitting a limit.

Fair-use limitations were always there. It sounds like they weren't actively enforcing it, but now they are because of some problem users. I don't think anything has changed for you unless you're one of the users this refers to:

Q: Why did Kagi start enforcing the fair use policy?

A: The policy was enforced due to excessive use. For instance, the top 10 users accounted for approximately 14% of the total costs, with some individuals consistently using up to 50 million tokens per week on the most advanced models. Our profit margins are already quite narrow. 95% of users should never hit any usage limits.

Re: Kagi Assistant is now available to all users

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Post by j01 »

haroldship wrote: post #80

How do I get this to work? When I try to access the Assistant I just get the help page: https://help.kagi.com/kagi/ai/assistant.html

You have to login first.

For some reason instead of redirecting you to login kagi.com/assistant redirects you to the wiki rather than a login page when you're not logged in.

Re: Kagi Assistant is now available to all users

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Post by jacek »

haroldship wrote: post #80

How do I get this to work? When I try to access the Assistant I just get the help page: https://help.kagi.com/kagi/ai/assistant.html

It's right there in the article:

> An important note: We are enabling the Assistant for all users in phases, based on regions, starting with USA today. The full rollout for ‘Assistant for All’ is scheduled to be completed by Sunday, 23:59 UTC.

Re: Kagi Assistant is now available to all users

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Post by notpushkin »

mjamesaustin wrote: post #60
loehnsberg wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I use both but cancelled my Perplexity subscription. Kagi is the better version of Google search, especially if you learn how to use lenses, bangs, and all these features. Kagi Assistant is great if you‘re happy with basic no-frills chat, i.e. no usable voice input, no image gen, no canvas. Perplexity is not bad, but somewhat stuck in the middle between ChatGPT/Gemini and search. They provide sources for search resul…

Any suggestions for how you got your lenses, bangs, assistant set up the way you like? I recently subscribed to Kagi and feel like I don't really know how to get in the habit of really using all the features.

You can start by looking at https://kagi.com/stats?stat=leaderboard and adjusting domains that make sense to you. E.g. I have all Pinterest lowered, as well as w3schools.com as I prefer developer.mozilla.org (which I raised instead).

For bangs I’m pretty sure the default ones might be enough – just use them! Some of my go-to bangs are !gh, !gm for Google Maps (Kagi Maps are sometimes not as good in Asia), !yt, !mdn, and !amo for addons.mozilla.org.

I also have this redirect rule:

  ^(https://www\.nytimes\.com.*$)|https://archive.ph/2025/$1
So that if an NYT article comes up in the results I can get a version without paywall directly. You can set it up in https://kagi.com/settings?p=redirects.

Re: Kagi Assistant is now available to all users

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Post by louthy »

haroldship wrote: post #80

How do I get this to work? When I try to access the Assistant I just get the help page: https://help.kagi.com/kagi/ai/assistant.html

Are you outside the US?

Q: I can not access Assistant!

A: We are doing staged rollout beginning with USA, full rollout scheduled by Sunday, 23:59 UTC. This will include other regions and even the trial plan.

Re: Kagi Assistant is now available to all users

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Post by loehnsberg »

mjamesaustin wrote: post #60
loehnsberg wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I use both but cancelled my Perplexity subscription. Kagi is the better version of Google search, especially if you learn how to use lenses, bangs, and all these features. Kagi Assistant is great if you‘re happy with basic no-frills chat, i.e. no usable voice input, no image gen, no canvas. Perplexity is not bad, but somewhat stuck in the middle between ChatGPT/Gemini and search. They provide sources for search resul…

Any suggestions for how you got your lenses, bangs, assistant set up the way you like? I recently subscribed to Kagi and feel like I don't really know how to get in the habit of really using all the features.

I did not customize bangs and the standard lenses are already useful. I have two custom lenses for travel and academic papers, each searching specific domains. What I meant is that you learn how to use them. What is there by default is already quite good, like !yf !yt !uk etc.

Re: Kagi Assistant is now available to all users

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Post by haroldship »

louthy wrote: post #85
haroldship wrote: post #80

How do I get this to work? When I try to access the Assistant I just get the help page: https://help.kagi.com/kagi/ai/assistant.html

Are you outside the US? Q: I can not access Assistant! A: We are doing staged rollout beginning with USA, full rollout scheduled by Sunday, 23:59 UTC. This will include other regions and even the trial plan.

I missed that, thanks. I will try it on Sunday

Re: Kagi Assistant is now available to all users

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Post by haroldship »

jacek wrote: post #83
haroldship wrote: post #80

How do I get this to work? When I try to access the Assistant I just get the help page: https://help.kagi.com/kagi/ai/assistant.html

It's right there in the article: > An important note: We are enabling the Assistant for all users in phases, based on regions, starting with USA today. The full rollout for ‘Assistant for All’ is scheduled to be completed by Sunday, 23:59 UTC.

I missed that, thanks. I will try it on Sunday

Re: Kagi Assistant is now available to all users

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Post by flexagoon »

TekMol wrote: post #44

"Privacy by default" I don't know. To me, requiring me to give them my email and then having all my searches associated with that email is the opposite of privacy to me. Yes, Google, Bing, Perplexity and Co could do fingerprinting and try fuzzy matching to cluster my searches. But at least that would be fuzzy and against the law in many places. While with Kagi, every search of mine would be clearly labeled as coming…

How is requiring an email "the opposite of privacy" when making a one-time disposable email takes like 5 seconds?

Re: Kagi Assistant is now available to all users

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Post by maelito »

mm263 wrote: post #40
maelito wrote: post #34

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I see this kind of off-hand rage bait comments on every Kagi post and it just grinds my gears so much. If you are going to say something inflammatory, at least elaborate or don’t leave those comments in the first place

Why would you interpret this as rage ? I was a Kagi customer, I was happy. But I have principles.

I'm asking if the CEO did change his mind, because I haven't heard any news about this, and I still recogniez the value of Kagi despite this.

I guess Europeans and US citizens differ on the handling of this subject.

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