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Why is Good Friday called Good Friday?

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Re: Why is Good Friday called Good Friday?

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In many languages "Easter" is a variation of Passover. "Pâques" in French for example, Pascha in Greek and Russian, Pascua in most Latin languages. In others (aome Slavic languages) it's a variation of "Great Day" ("Velikonoce" in Czech for example). " And so on. English and German are the only languages I know with a weird word for Easter. Edit - also Passover is Pesach in Hebrew. So Pesach -> Pascha in Greek, then…

In Croatian, Easter is called Uskrs, meaning Resurrection, but Good Friday is called Veliki Petak, meaning Great Friday.

My bad, went by Google for that one (they listed Croation as similar to Czech, which I know a bit).

Re: Why is Good Friday called Good Friday?

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Why don't we consult a rather authoritative and reliable, albeit 100 years old, source? https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/06643a.htm Good Friday, called Feria VI in Parasceve in the Roman Missal, he hagia kai megale paraskeue (the Holy and Great Friday) in the Greek Liturgy, Holy Friday in Romance Languages, Charfreitag (Sorrowful Friday) in German, is the English designation of Friday in Holy Week — that is, the Frid…

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Re: Why is Good Friday called Good Friday?

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I find it odd how Easter, a pre-Christian Pagan festival (worshipping goddess of fertility: Eostre) has become seemingly-arbitrarily connected to the purported events at the end of Jesus' life.. yet it still includes a good amount of the prior symbolism (rabbits, eggs etc)! Still great to have a short break from work! Not arguing against it at all, it just seems a bit bizarre to me overall.

It's literally only called Easter in English.

That being said, the actual etymology for Easter is from the month of April in the anglo-saxon calendar: Ēosturmōnaþ. Easter of course is a name for the entire season of Easter (up until Pentecost), which lasts a bit over a month and usually coincides with Ēosturmōnaþ.

But fittingly, Easter etymologically comes from the Proto-Indo-European word for 'Dawn', symbolizing literally the East, from which the sun rises. The Indian name Usha literally comes from the same word, and would directly translate into Easter.

The first mention of Eostre as a goddess is post-Christianity, by Bede. He writes:

> Eosturmonath has a name which is now translated "Paschal month", and which was once called after a goddess of theirs named Eostre, in whose honour feasts were celebrated in that month. Now they designate that Paschal season by her name, calling the joys of the new rite by the time-honoured name of the old observance

Re: Why is Good Friday called Good Friday?

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I've spent a fair amount of time studying ancient Sumerian culture and religion as a hobby, and the often repeated claim that "Easter comes from Ishtar" just doesn't hold up to even minimal scrutiny. It's one of those internet factoids that sounds plausible on the surface but completely falls apart under actual historical or linguistic analysis. There's no serious academic support for a connection between the Christi…

But this was about Eostre. Whatever the name meant and wherever it came from, it was pretty clearly the origin of the word "Easter". And there is reasonable evidence of a Germanic goddess with a name something like Eostre or Ostara, related to various Indo-European dawn goddesses, such as Eos, Aurora, and Ushas.

The 'evidence' of a Germanic goddess named Eostre comes from Christian writings who concede that this is where the name comes from. This entire 'conspiracy' is utterly made up

Re: Why is Good Friday called Good Friday?

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> I find it odd how Easter, a pre-Christian Pagan festival (worshipping goddess of fertility: Eostre) has become seemingly-arbitrarily connected to the purported events at the end of Jesus' life.. The Eostre connection is unconvincing. Eostre is a Saxon goddess with earliest sources about her cult from 8th century and: - Easter has been celebrated before 8th century. - And it has been celebrated by people that have n…

The connection goes further back to Asheroth - the Cannanite goddess of fertility.

No it does not. Asheroth is a Canaanite language term. Easter comes from the Proto-Indo-European for dawn of east, the direction of the sunrise. A very fitting name for the rising of the Son of Man. The direct cognates to Easter are Usas (Indic languages), East, or Aurora.

Re: Why is Good Friday called Good Friday?

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I find it odd how Easter, a pre-Christian Pagan festival (worshipping goddess of fertility: Eostre) has become seemingly-arbitrarily connected to the purported events at the end of Jesus' life.. yet it still includes a good amount of the prior symbolism (rabbits, eggs etc)! Still great to have a short break from work! Not arguing against it at all, it just seems a bit bizarre to me overall.

I don't think it is odd at all. In a choice between "our religion can't gain the membership to survive" vs "ok, we can bend the structure of our religion a little to make it more palatable for this huge amount of people", I think the choice is obvious. You might find it odd that Christians think they came up with Easter (or Christmas, or the Epiphany...) though.

A lot of these things come from folk practices that the Church would permit but then direct towards something acceptable.

Re: Why is Good Friday called Good Friday?

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Growing up Catholic, I always figured that it was meant to be paradoxical, to drive home the Christian message. This horribly sad event that is so painful to imagine happening, this event was the most important Good thing that happened in human history. So we have to call it Good Friday.

Like many folk etymologies, it sounds like it's not quite right, but it was intuitive at the time...

Re: Why is Good Friday called Good Friday?

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Christmas trees too, and Christmas lights for that matter.

This is a better case for parent's point. We know pretty well when in the year Jesus died. We don't know when he was born. That it happened Decemver 25th is a choice by the early church

We have a good estimate of when Jesus was born and it is around December 25th.

The way this is determined is that in Luke 1:5 it says John the Baptist's father was a priest in the Abijah division. Further in Luke it says that an angel came to John's father while he was serving in the temple that his wife will get pregnant.

Also in Luke, it says in the 6th month of John's mother's pregnancy Mary conceived.

When you look into when the Abijah priests served (in Chronicles) and convert it to our calendar instead of the Hebrew calendar you can calculate and end up at the end of December.

I don't have all the math, but you can calculate it if you want to, but there is a decent reason to think it was the 25th or thereabouts.

Re: Why is Good Friday called Good Friday?

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I find it odd how Easter, a pre-Christian Pagan festival (worshipping goddess of fertility: Eostre) has become seemingly-arbitrarily connected to the purported events at the end of Jesus' life.. yet it still includes a good amount of the prior symbolism (rabbits, eggs etc)! Still great to have a short break from work! Not arguing against it at all, it just seems a bit bizarre to me overall.

Let’s talk about Christmas then. They deliberately put it at a time where many northern folks had their own traditional end of the year / longest night (opposite to midd summer) festivals. In Germany we have Nikolaus on the 6.12 (goes back to a priest St Nikolaus who did good to people and I believe died on the 6th of December) But the name is striking to Santa Claus which is just a Anglo version of that name. Intere…

> hey deliberately put it at a time where many northern folks had their own traditional end of the year

For most of history, Christianity is a mediterranean religion. There would be no reason to choose to put it at a time for Northern Europeans.

For example, I am the descendants of the indigenous Christians of India. The historical celebration of Christmas is called Denha, which is the native name for Epiphany, for which there is widespread textual evidence (corroborated by similar celebrations elsewhere), and which was celebrated at the usual time (Jan 6). There are numerous councils of the Church of the east that confirm this as well. Why would they possibly care what Scandinavia did. The simple truth is that this is a really old time to celebrate the birth of Christ, for reasons lost to history. Unlikely that the Northern Europeans, who were catechized many centuries after Christ played a large role in it. We have records of the date in Asian church councils well before the Northern Europeans were even contacted people.

The reason why Northern European traditions (trees, santa claus, snow, etc) became popular is due to the migration of Northern Europeans to America which is today synonymous with 'Christian' nations. even in Europe, the indigenous Catholics of South Europe don't always celebrate in this way.

But there are universals: sweets, gift-giving, celebration, stars, these are all common.

Re: Why is Good Friday called Good Friday?

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> They deliberately put it Who did? When?

The Catholic Church. The fourth century. https://www.history.com/articles/history-of-christmas >In the fourth century, church officials decided to institute the birth of Jesus as a holiday. Unfortunately, the Bible does not mention date for his birth (a fact Puritans later pointed out in order to deny the legitimacy of the celebration). >Although some evidence suggests that Jesus' birth may have occurred in the sprin…

Hmm... why would the church in asia have chosen jan 6 as their epiphany date and main celebration of christmas if it were for Saturnalia. These are questions no one can answer, and we all just assume a Euro-centric perspective for little reason.
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