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Discord's face scanning age checks 'start of a bigger shift'

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Re: Discord's face scanning age checks 'start of a bigger shift'

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Post by Hizonner »

1659447091 wrote: post #79
Hizonner wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It doesn't have to be your bank if you don't want, "If I don't want"? I would get no choice at all about who it would be, because in practice the Web site (or whoever could put pressure on the Web site) would have all of the control over which issuers were or were not acceptable. Don't pretend that actual users would have any meaningful control over anything. The sites, even as a (almost certainly captured and corr…

> Don't pretend that actual users would have any meaningful control over anything. You do have control, you just don't like the option of control you have which is to forgo those social/porn sites altogether. You want to dictate to businesses and the government how to run their business or country laws that you want to use. And you can sometimes, if you get a large enough group to forgo their services over their poli…

Those businesses also have control. They just don't like the option of control they have, which is to stay out of those countries altogether.

> This is something you should send to your government that makes those rules.

My government hasn't made those rules, at least not yet. Last time they tried, I joined the crowd yelling at them about it. It's easier to do that if people aren't giving them technology they can pretend solves the fundamental problems with what they're doing.

Any more bright ideas?

Re: Discord's face scanning age checks 'start of a bigger shift'

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Post by 2OEH8eoCRo0 »

throwaway875847 wrote: post #75
2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #45

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Good! Why is the Internet any different than say, a porn or liquor store? Why are we so fuckin allergic to verification? I'll tell ya why- money. Don't pretend it's privacy.

Money? Every big ad tech company would love to be provided with all that juicy verification data.

If they could make more money with verification than without then we would already have it.

Re: Discord's face scanning age checks 'start of a bigger shift'

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Post by red-iron-pine »

zehaeva wrote: post #25
jjice wrote: post #2

Aside from the privacy nightmare, what about someone who is 18 and just doesn't have the traditional adult facial features? Same thing for someone who's 15 and hit puberty early? I can imagine that on the edges, it becomes really hard to discern. If they get it wrong, are you locked out? Do you have to send an image of your ID? So many questions. Not a huge fan of these recent UK changes (looking at the Apple E2E sit…

It's a good thing to think about. I knew a guy in high school who had male pattern baldness that started at 13 or 14. Full blown by the time he was 16. Dude looked like one of the teachers.

i went to school with a guy who had serious facial hair at like 14. dude was rocking 5 oclock shadows by the end of the school day

Re: Discord's face scanning age checks 'start of a bigger shift'

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Post by lanfeust6 »

like_any_other wrote: post #60
lanfeust6 wrote: post #52

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The West isn't China and Korea. They can't opt out of authoritarian-state surveillance and great firewall, whereas we have options more amenable to privacy, even if you want to quibble that they aren't perfect. Also the fact that UK and Australia are kind of backwards on online privacy. That aside, this is targeted. The fediverse and vbulletin forums of old, even reddit, are all social media but will never require fa…

> The West isn't China and Korea. They have this in South Korea: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43716932

This law was struck down for violating the constitution.

Re: Discord's face scanning age checks 'start of a bigger shift'

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Post by alexey-salmin »

jasonlotito wrote: post #29
ajsnigrutin wrote: post #9

I think regulation could be done better... Let's assign one or ideally two adults to each underage child, who are aware of the childs real age and can intervene and prevent the child from installing discord (and any other social media) in the first place or confiscate the equipment if the child breaks the rules. They could also regulate many other thing in the childs life, not just social network use.

> confiscate the equipment if the child breaks the rules. Even you acknowledge this plan is flawed and that the child can break the rules. And it's not that difficult. After all, confiscating the equipment assumes that they know about the equipment and that they can legally seize the equipment. Third parties are involved, and doing what you suggests would land these adults in prison. I know you thought you were being…

You keep saying it's flawed but I don't see how or why.

What exactly is wrong with the idea that parents should look after their kids?

Re: Discord's face scanning age checks 'start of a bigger shift'

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Post by alexey-salmin »

fkyoureadthedoc wrote: post #70
ajsnigrutin wrote: post #61

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ID laws are the end goal, the children and porn are just an excuse to get ID laws, which would give the governments a lot more control over the internet and social networks. Just imagin someone like Trump/Ursula requesting full list of names of everyone criticizing them on eg reddit (because reddit has porn, and you'd have to show your ID to be able to use reddit, because of your reasons). This is objectively bad for…

> Parenting is a good solution Yes, to most of society's problems. Yet they persist.

So? They equally persist in the face of endless laws, I don't see how it follows that piling more laws on top is a better idea than deferring this to parents.

Re: Discord's face scanning age checks 'start of a bigger shift'

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Post by LinuxBender »

1659447091 wrote: post #72
Hizonner wrote: post #66

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You mean without giving them any personal information other than where to find your bank account .

It doesn't have to be your bank if you don't want, have the DMV be an issuer or your car insurance, or health insurance or cell phone service etc. You choose which one you want you want to have assert your claim. They already know you. It's a better option than giving every random website or service all of your info and biometric data so you can 'like' memes or bother random people with DM's or whatever people do on…

I think the post office could suffice in most countries for this.

Or server operators could just implement RTA headers and put the liability on apps/devices to look for the header.

Re: Discord's face scanning age checks 'start of a bigger shift'

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Post by doublerabbit »

candiddevmike wrote: post #8
jjice wrote: post #2

Aside from the privacy nightmare, what about someone who is 18 and just doesn't have the traditional adult facial features? Same thing for someone who's 15 and hit puberty early? I can imagine that on the edges, it becomes really hard to discern. If they get it wrong, are you locked out? Do you have to send an image of your ID? So many questions. Not a huge fan of these recent UK changes (looking at the Apple E2E sit…

The right thing to do here is for Discord to ignore the UK laws and see what happens, IMO. Is there a market for leaked facial scans?

With the UK currently battling Apple, Discord has no chance of not getting a lawsuit.

Ofcom is a serious contender in ruling their rules especially where Discord is multi-national that even "normies" know and use.

And if they got a slap of "we will let you off this time" they would still have to create some sort of verification service to please the next time.

You might as well piss off your consumers, loose them whatever and still hold the centre stage than fight the case for not. Nothing is stopping Ofcom from launching another lawsuit there after.

> Is there a market for leaked facial scans?

There's a market for everything. Fake driver licenses with fake pictures have been around for decades, that would be no different.

Re: Discord's face scanning age checks 'start of a bigger shift'

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Post by [deleted] »

like_any_other wrote: post #53
woodrowbarlow wrote: post #40

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ultimately, i think the endgame is to require government ID in order to access internet services in general, a la ender's game.

Many countries (including in the EU) already required ID to use a SIM card: https://forestvpn.com/blog/news/countries-sim-card-registrat... Funnily enough, when the Philippines did this, it was decried as a violation of human rights [1]. But usually, media are so silent on such things I'd call them complicit. One already cannot so much as rent a hotel room anywhere in the EU without showing government ID. [1] https:/…

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Re: Discord's face scanning age checks 'start of a bigger shift'

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Post by toast0 »

raspyberr wrote: post #44
woodrowbarlow wrote: post #40

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ultimately, i think the endgame is to require government ID in order to access internet services in general, a la ender's game.

Please walk me from scratch how you would access the internet on your own right now without any form of Government ID

I'm in the US. I do have government ID, but I don't recall showing it to my network providers. Certainly, some telcos want a social security number to run credit; but that's often avoidable. I'm pretty sure could also wander down to an electronics store (maybe a grocery/drug store too) and pick up a prepaid cell phone with internet access, pay for it with cash, and get that going without government id in the US. It's a bit of a hike to get to the electronics store from where I live, but I can get part of the way there with the bus that takes cash too.
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