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Re: Generate videos in Gemini and Whisk with Veo 2

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Post by tracerbulletx »

panarky wrote: post #41
tracerbulletx wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everyone keeps ignoring supply and demand when talking about the impacts of AI. Let's just assume it really gets so good you can do this and it doesn't suck. Yes the costs will get so low that there will be almost no barrier to making content but if there is no barrier to making content, the ROI will be massive, and so everyone will be doing it, you can more or less have the exact movie you want in your head on deman…

That was the story with CGI too, that there would be overwhelming supply that drives prices and value toward zero. And yet Marvel exists. Turns out in a world of infinite supply, value comes from story, character, branding, marketing and celebrity. Those factors in combination have very limited supply and people still pay up. I don't see any reason why AI-gen video is any different.

It's still quite difficult and extremely time consuming to create a visual effect. And the technique to film actors and blend them is additionally quite difficult. If you get to the point one person can make a movie, yes you will be limited by your own creativity, but the number of people who can do that is still a lot greater than the number of people who can do that, and manage a 200 million dollar budget production and get an end product that meets their vision.

Re: Generate videos in Gemini and Whisk with Veo 2

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Post by [deleted] »

wewewedxfgdf wrote: post #61

1: Press release about amazing AI development. 2: "Try it now!" the release always says. 3: I go try it. 4: Doesn't work. In this case, I give it a prompt to make a video and literally nothing happens, it goes back to the prompt. In the case of the breathtakingly astonishing Gemini 2.5 Coding - attach to source code file to the prompt "file type not supported". That's the pattern - I've come to expect it and was not…

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Re: Generate videos in Gemini and Whisk with Veo 2

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Post by mlboss »

GloamingNiblets wrote: post #38
tracerbulletx wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everyone keeps ignoring supply and demand when talking about the impacts of AI. Let's just assume it really gets so good you can do this and it doesn't suck. Yes the costs will get so low that there will be almost no barrier to making content but if there is no barrier to making content, the ROI will be massive, and so everyone will be doing it, you can more or less have the exact movie you want in your head on deman…

A good parallel is writing books. Books can cost little to write and publish, but their success is Pareto distributed, not Normally distributed.

Writing book is really expensive. You have to think and put words on paper that engages the read. It is really hard.

Re: Generate videos in Gemini and Whisk with Veo 2

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Post by strangattractor »

harrall wrote: post #74
strangattractor wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Like MS, Google is ubiquitous - search is much like Office and DOS before that. Anything OpenAPI or the other AI competitors create would normally be protected by patents for instance. Not so with an AI models. Google has the clout/know how to responded with similar technology - adding it to their ubiquitous search. People are both lazy and cheap. They will always go with cheaper and good enough.

Google invented the technology. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attention_Is_All_You_Need OpenAI was the copycat. If Google had patented this technique, OpenAI wouldn’t have existed.

How do you patented it? What specific "practical, real-world application" does AGI purport to solve? All these algorithms work by using massive amounts of data. They all do it the same way or close to the same way.

"Algorithms can be patented when integrated into specific technical applications or physical implementations. The U.S. Patent Office assesses algorithm-based patent applications based on their practical benefits and technological contributions.

Pure mathematical formulas or abstract algorithms cannot be patented. To be eligible, an algorithm must address a tangible technical challenge or enhance computational performance measurably.

Patenting an AI algorithm means protecting how it transforms data into a practical, real-world application. Although pure mathematical formulas or abstract ideas aren’t eligible for patents, algorithms can be embedded in a specific process or device." [1]

[1] https://patentlawyer.io/can-you-patent-an-algorithm/#:~:text...

Re: Generate videos in Gemini and Whisk with Veo 2

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Post by wepple »

torginus wrote: post #36

I am not really technical in this domain, but why is everything text-to-X? Wouldn't it be possible to draw a rough sketch of a terrain, drop a picture of the character, draw a 3D spline for the walk path, while having a traditional keyframe style editor, and give certain points some keyframe actions (like character A turns on his flashlight at frame 60) - in short, something that allows minute creative control just l…

LLMs were entirely text not that long ago.

Multi modality is new; you won’t have to wait too long until they can do what you’re describing.

Re: Generate videos in Gemini and Whisk with Veo 2

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Post by doctorpangloss »

torginus wrote: post #37
minimaxir wrote: post #11

Whisk itself ( https://labs.google/fx/tools/whisk ) was released a few months ago under the radar as a demo for Imagen 3 and it's actually fun to play with and surprisingly robust given its particular implementation. It uses a prompt transmutation trick (convert the uploaded images into a textual description; can verify by viewing the description of the uploaded image) and the strength of Imagen 3's actually modern t…

Why text? why not encode the image into some latent space representation, so that it can survive a round-trip more or less faithfully?

They don't want you to modify images you supply yourself.

Re: Generate videos in Gemini and Whisk with Veo 2

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Post by TacticalCoder »

torginus wrote: post #36

I am not really technical in this domain, but why is everything text-to-X? Wouldn't it be possible to draw a rough sketch of a terrain, drop a picture of the character, draw a 3D spline for the walk path, while having a traditional keyframe style editor, and give certain points some keyframe actions (like character A turns on his flashlight at frame 60) - in short, something that allows minute creative control just l…

I want ...-to-3D-scene. Then I can use Blender to render the resulting picture and/or vid. Be it "text-to-3D-scene" or "image-to-3D-scene".

And there's a near infinity of data out there to train "image-to-3D-scene" models. You can literally take existing stuff and render it from different angles, different lighting, different background, etc.

I've seen a few unconclusive demos of "...-to-3D-scene" but this 100% coming.

I can't wait to sketch out a very crude picture and have an AI generate me a 3D scene out of that.

> ... in short, something that allows minute creative control just like current tools do?

With 3D scenes generated by AI, one shall be able to decide to just render it as it (with proper lighting btw) or one shall all all the creative control he wants.

I want this now. But I'll settle with waiting a bit.

P.S: same for songs and sound FX by the way... I want the AI to generate me stuff I can import in an open-source DAW. And this is 100% coming too.

Re: Generate videos in Gemini and Whisk with Veo 2

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Post by hammock »

delichon wrote: post #4

I think I would buy "yes" shares in a Polymarket event that predicts a motion picture created by a single person grossing more than $100M by 2027.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flow_(2024_film)

$36 million dollars and an Academy Award. A l m o s t done by just one person. And entirely with open source software.

The guy's previous movie was a true one-man show but didn't really get screenings: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Away_(2019_film)

Re: Generate videos in Gemini and Whisk with Veo 2

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Post by wongarsu »

darepublic wrote: post #53
motoxpro wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Totally agree. This is what Instagram and YouTube did and we got MrBeast and Kylie Jenner making billions of dollars. The cost of creating content is tapping record on your phone and the traditional "quality" as defined by visuals doesn't matter (see Quibi). Viral videos are selfies recorded in the bedroom. When you lower the barrier to entry things get more heterogeneous, not less. So you have bigger outcomes, not s…

I don't think Mr Beast is particularly creative. He makes common denominator crap that appeals to kids. I expect the same of Kylie Jenner

Meanwhile the cost of his videos is insanely high. The "insane" price money is the smallest part of it. He has insane sets he uses for only one or a small number of videos, he has a giant staff, high quality gear and many of his videos include either challenges going on over very long timespans or involving a high number of participants, making the logistics, recording and editing of those videos challenging and time intensive. Most TV shows could only dream of doing what he does.

He started out simple, pointing a phone camera at himself counting really high, but his current channel is not a great example of a low barrier to entry. He explicitly sets himself apart by doing what other youtube creators or TV shows simply can't do

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