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Pentagon to terminate $5.1B in IT contracts with Accenture, Deloitte

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Re: Pentagon to terminate $5.1B in IT contracts with Accenture, Deloitte

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post #21

Kinda amusing that the general sentiment so far, in a forum filled with technology expertise, is that there is certainly waste in these budgets. But, when discussing the overall trend of cutting programs in other fields where the majority doesn't have that expertise, the conclusion is the opposite.

It is called the Gell-Mann Amnesia Effect.

Coined by author Michael Crichton:

“Briefly stated, the Gell-Mann Amnesia effect is as follows. You open the newspaper to an article on some subject you know well. In Murray's case, physics. In mine, show business. You read the article and see the journalist has absolutely no understanding of either the facts or the issues. Often, the article is so wrong it actually presents the story backward—reversing cause and effect. I call these the "wet streets cause rain" stories. Paper's full of them.

In any case, you read with exasperation or amusement the multiple errors in a story, and then turn the page to national or international affairs, and read as if the rest of the newspaper was somehow more accurate about Palestine than the baloney you just read. You turn the page, and forget what you know.

That is the Gell-Mann Amnesia effect. I'd point out it does not operate in other arenas of life. In ordinary life, if somebody consistently exaggerates or lies to you, you soon discount everything they say. In court, there is the legal doctrine of falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus, which means untruthful in one part, untruthful in all. But when it comes to the media, we believe against evidence that it is probably worth our time to read other parts of the paper. When, in fact, it almost certainly isn't. The only possible explanation for our behavior is amnesia.”

Re: Pentagon to terminate $5.1B in IT contracts with Accenture, Deloitte

#82
post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you are comparing existing, actual waste with your "imaginary" waste that might or might not happen... Go easy on the kool aid.

I don't totally trust this DOGE crew and think we should keep a hawks eye on them but the whole "they are cutting waste so they can funnel the money to themselves!" conspiracy theories making the rounds are pretty bizarre... And to what end, aren't many of these people already extremely wealthy? I sure hope I'm wrong.

Because the amoral drive for extreme wealth doesn't stop at a certain level of wealth

Re: Pentagon to terminate $5.1B in IT contracts with Accenture, Deloitte

#83
post #70
post #38

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The Pentagon will never pass an audit. Some of that money goes into things the auditors do not have clearance for.

Didn’t they at one point fail to account for Trillions of dollars in their budget? How do you do that? The scale for me is unimaginable.

How many other companies need to fund rebuilding of entire countries? (granted: usually the DoD's fault in the first place...)

Re: Pentagon to terminate $5.1B in IT contracts with Accenture, Deloitte

#84

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Your public tax dollars picked Tesla and SpaceX as winners vs losers, through billions of dollars of subsidies.

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https://subsidytracker.goodjobsfirst.org/parent/tesla-inc

https://subsidytracker.goodjobsfirst.org/parent/space-explor...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/interactive/2025/e... | https://archive.is/2025.04.06-135244/https://www.washingtonp...

https://freebeacon.com/issues/emails-epa-rushed-to-resolve-t...

“Who is John Galt?” /s He is Schrödinger's Entrepreneur: a self made man when the ego and cult calls for it, but a scrappy startup founder just trying to save the world and get to Mars when desperate for government or Capital market support and intervention.

Re: Pentagon to terminate $5.1B in IT contracts with Accenture, Deloitte

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post #29
post #6

On the face of it cutting huge IT govt contracts sounds like a good choice to reduce waste, but with this administration I'm expecting any savings to be funneled to Grok/xAI/Elon.

Which isn't ideal, but easily better than the pentagon that has literally never passed a full audit since they started auditing them in 2018. I'm a huge fan of musk's company's, but I don't want my public tax dollars ever choosing winners/losers

They are crowing about increasing the Pentagon’s budget.

Re: Pentagon to terminate $5.1B in IT contracts with Accenture, Deloitte

#86
post #8

All fine and dandy until one realizes that the pentagon's budget is measured in the trillions, and this sort of deal probably doesn't even deal with mission critical stuff. That said, we do waste a ton of money on consultants, and the pentagon needs to trim its budget. Should also be noted that Pete Hegseth is a fucking moron, and some of these cuts probably hurt our national security readiness.

> we do waste a ton of money on consultants I bet the median skill of a Deloitte consultant is higher than that of the average government office worker.

Usually, they recruit government office workers into this? They acquire domain knowledge in endless drudgery, then get a pay upgrade and get rehired as consultant? The whole machinery becomes a whole level more inefficient.

Van der Leyen was famous for squandering german defense budget to mc kinsey and co - who poached heads from the german rearmament office. National Defense related industries should be in general forbidden to hire consultants.

Re: Pentagon to terminate $5.1B in IT contracts with Accenture, Deloitte

#87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your public tax dollars picked Tesla and SpaceX as winners vs losers, through billions of dollars of subsidies.

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If an interest free loan at a time when Tesla couldn’t get a bank to loan them breakfast is not a subsidy then you also agree that none of the banks received any sort of government support either right?

Because even despite many of the companies failing, the govt made a profit on TARP.

Re: Pentagon to terminate $5.1B in IT contracts with Accenture, Deloitte

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your public tax dollars picked Tesla and SpaceX as winners vs losers, through billions of dollars of subsidies.

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I expect the next administration will switch SpaceX to cost-plus. Musk may be banking on reaping huge profit margins on those fixed price deals. Well that ain't gonna happen. Elections have consequences.

Re: Pentagon to terminate $5.1B in IT contracts with Accenture, Deloitte

#89
post #8

All fine and dandy until one realizes that the pentagon's budget is measured in the trillions, and this sort of deal probably doesn't even deal with mission critical stuff. That said, we do waste a ton of money on consultants, and the pentagon needs to trim its budget. Should also be noted that Pete Hegseth is a fucking moron, and some of these cuts probably hurt our national security readiness.

> we do waste a ton of money on consultants I bet the median skill of a Deloitte consultant is higher than that of the average government office worker.

Perhaps, but the profit motivation is completely different. One's there to serve and the other to bill hours.

Re: Pentagon to terminate $5.1B in IT contracts with Accenture, Deloitte

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post #70
post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Pentagon will never pass an audit. Some of that money goes into things the auditors do not have clearance for.

Didn’t they at one point fail to account for Trillions of dollars in their budget? How do you do that? The scale for me is unimaginable.

Auditors don't get access to whatever the modern equivalent of this is: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_Bank_%26_Trust_(Baham...
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