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Rules for Negotiating a Job Offer (2016)

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Re: Rules for Negotiating a Job Offer (2016)

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Post by bolognafairy »

Aeolun wrote: post #41
aozgaa wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is addressed in the article: > Turns out, it doesn’t matter that much where your first offer is from, or even how much they’re offering you. Just having an offer in hand will get the engine running. > If you’re already in the pipeline with other companies (which you should be if you’re doing it right), you should proactively reach out and let them know that you’ve just received an offer. Try to build a sense of…

Me too. It was utterly bizarre. Spent 6 month looking for a job, with I don’t know how many failed interviews, then I got one offer for a 6 month contract, and suddenly the next two companies I interviewed with were falling over themselves to give me a permanent one. I just do not see how that works. There’s no logical reason for it.

Literally nothing involving human behaviour is entirely logical. Coincidentally, as a hiring manager, hearing people describe “illogical” human behaviour with any sort of surprise is an inexperience indicator for me.

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Post by hobs »

mixmastamyk wrote: post #20
taklimakan wrote: post #12

This is all very interesting, but is complete fiction for most readers. 99% of job seekers aren’t going to receive competing offers from multiple companies conveniently at the same time.

Right, I've received one job offer in the last decade. One. Took me a year and a half of searching to get it. Don't skip the degree or get older. ;-)

3 companies in a row I got recruited by folks from other companies - skipped the degree and about to turn 40, so older is relative - the biggest diff I have had is I am obvious and honest that I am always looking and actively build the network, especially the youngins - I have gotten 4 jobs (and its accelerating given the last 3) from folks I helped teach or train in the past who went on to do something interesting.

Re: Rules for Negotiating a Job Offer (2016)

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Post by hyperadvanced »

Jcampuzano2 wrote: post #78
Aeolun wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Me too. It was utterly bizarre. Spent 6 month looking for a job, with I don’t know how many failed interviews, then I got one offer for a 6 month contract, and suddenly the next two companies I interviewed with were falling over themselves to give me a permanent one. I just do not see how that works. There’s no logical reason for it.

Why would someone not then just tell every recruiter/company they are interviewing with that they already have offers are are in the pipeline at other companies even if they don't. We've heard nowadays how hard it is to even get to the interview for many companies so theres probably plenty of candidates who do not have many other offers prepared or even close to prepared. Another issue is timing. Theres been times wh…

Presumably there’s a karmic payoff for this, or someone at X company knows someone at Y who can tell them whether or not you’re actually in the pipeline or have received an offer. Perhaps there’s an element of bluffing or calling bluffs in all of this.

Re: Rules for Negotiating a Job Offer (2016)

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Post by staticautomatic »

waltbosz wrote: post #56

I read some advice that suggested asking the salary band during salary negotiations and that many HR departments won't hesitate to share. I tried this while interviewing for my current job and sure enough they shared. Lesson learned: you can ask and the worst they will probably do is say no, but it's very valuable knowledge if they share.

Important questions most reasonable people can answer: Can you share the salary range? Are you targeting the mid-point? Are you able to make an offer at the top of the range if you want to?

Re: Rules for Negotiating a Job Offer (2016)

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Post by pythonguython »

casey2 wrote: post #80

If the people spent half as much time building skills as they spent creating, reading and following random "rules" then the climate change, homelessness, tech employment crisis etc would all be solved problems.

We’re talking about spending a couple of hours learning the basics of negotiation for a likely 10-20% increase in salary/equity. That’s certainly not making the difference in solving the world’s problems.

If you’re speaking more broadly than just salary negotiation - I’d just say that humans aren’t perfect machines. We care about solving problems but we also have desire for money, power, status and following random rules.

Re: Rules for Negotiating a Job Offer (2016)

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Post by ilrwbwrkhv »

Seattle3503 wrote: post #75
3eb7988a1663 wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I bounced on that book pretty quickly, so maybe I need to give it another attempt. It started off so generic and, "Here are my expert qualifications and anecdotes".

Yeah I rolled my eyes at that, but publishers basically require the front 10% of non-fiction be like that. It's for the people walking through book stores and picking up books to browse.

Thats why we need disruption in the books publishing industry

Re: Rules for Negotiating a Job Offer (2016)

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Post by woleium »

hyperadvanced wrote: post #83
Jcampuzano2 wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would someone not then just tell every recruiter/company they are interviewing with that they already have offers are are in the pipeline at other companies even if they don't. We've heard nowadays how hard it is to even get to the interview for many companies so theres probably plenty of candidates who do not have many other offers prepared or even close to prepared. Another issue is timing. Theres been times wh…

Presumably there’s a karmic payoff for this, or someone at X company knows someone at Y who can tell them whether or not you’re actually in the pipeline or have received an offer. Perhaps there’s an element of bluffing or calling bluffs in all of this.

there is also the risk of getting black listed for lying.

Re: Rules for Negotiating a Job Offer (2016)

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Post by drekipus »

I had a simple formula:

"I feel like I am contributing at least $X value to the company. If I am then it makes sense to pay me that, and if not I'd like to know how we can get there."

It starts a discussion and it's more honest: if I am not worth that much then tell me how I can be more valuable.

I have had a pay rise every year from this conversation but my company is very flexible and successful, so mileage may vary.

I find all other approaches to me gimmicky and tricks, and somewhat dishonest in some way.

Re: Rules for Negotiating a Job Offer (2016)

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Post by hardwaregeek »

With most tech career advice on the internet, I would check to see if it was written before 2022. If so, I'd take it with a grain of salt. I wrote tech advice in the ZIRP times. It was a very different market. Negotiation is still a valid tactic but there's a lot more to lose and a lot fewer offers than in 2021.

Re: Rules for Negotiating a Job Offer (2016)

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Post by dlevine »

silisili wrote: post #68
garciasn wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every single time I’ve been job searching (10x) I’ve always had 2-3 offers on the line simultaneously; I honestly assumed this was the norm.

Has that been recently? I've read the market has been brutal lately, but I haven't had to look myself, thankfully.

I’m job searching right now, and it’s definitely not the doom and gloom that I’m hearing about.

I think it’s a challenging environment for developers who are either inexperienced or who have skills that are out of date. I have found that companies are a bit more picky than i remember about knowing the exact tech stack they use, but they are still making offers and those offers are pretty good.

Note that I’m applying mostly to mid-sized non-public companies. I’m not sure what it’s like applying to MAANG-types right now.

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