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Re: Gumroad’s source is available

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An ecommerce platform designed to allow creators to sell to users.. apparently. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gumroad

Which also dropped Android support, so I dropped them.

Web app works fine. I'm an Android user, I sell through Gumroad and it's never occurred to me to download a native app that offers no functionality beyond what's already on the website. Sale notifications go to my email, as they should.

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Could we please change the title to say : "Gumroad is source available"? This license is clearly fails OSD and is not open source by the industry standard; perpetuating a false statement is unhelpful. https://opensource.org/osd

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This actually strikes at the heart of the disconnect between open source philosophy and common vernacular.

I've argued for years that "free" does NOT mean "free to use as long as you follow my restrictions". To me the only licenses that meet this criteria are the permissive ones such as MIT, BSD and friends where the only requirement is preservation of the copyright notice. The vast majority have limits of what you can do, or when you have to pay, or some other BS that just complicates everything and IMHO just reeks of "I'm manipulating the FOSS community so I can make a buck" or "I'm pretending to give this software away but actually have a laundry list of rules you have to live by". Basically the opposite of what "free" means!

Similarly, "open source" implies that I can do whatever I want, since it is "open". But most open source licenses - including this one - have restrictions and in many cases pretty strict ones that forbid use for many. This is not open at all.

Either give it away, or lock it up, but PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE stop with the hypocrisy, lying and wordplay so you can make a buck (or satisfy a religious tilt). If you want me to help you with your code then you gotta let me use it how I see fit!

And for the love of all things holy, quit calling restrictive licenses "free". This is a binary state, it is either free or non-free, and "you can only use this if you make less than X" or "only use this with other free software" or "if you make changes you have to share" are NOT FREE.

There. Thanks for reading. Stepping outside to yell at a cloud now. And get off my lawn.

Re: Gumroad’s source is available

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I haven't followed Gumroad much, but I remember them being very pro freedom and having some interesting hiring practices. IIRC they were all being paid equally (based on position and hours of work) and had no meetings. Now I see a Code of Conduct.

They've also bumped up their fees enormously, it's 10% + processing fee now, previously it was $1 flat + processing.

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I looked for a blog post announcing this, and couldn't find it. But Antiwork's Github profile mentions: > Antiwork emerged from Gumroad's mission to automate repetitive tasks. In 2025, we're taking a bold step by open-sourcing our entire suite of tools that helped run and scale Gumroad. We believe in making powerful automation accessible to everyone. That's pretty wild! I've always loved Gumroad's simplicity for crea…

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Re: Gumroad’s source is available

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> Dictionaries outrank everything else when it comes what something means. Dictionaries are descriptive, not prescriptive. As is the whole field of linguistics, as you will learn in the very first lecture in such a program. If the grammar rules you learned in school disagree with (any!) native speaker, the rules are wrong.

> If the grammar rules you learned in school disagree with (any!) native speaker, the rules are wrong. I understand the sentiment of "the language is defined by its speakers", but this statement seems a bit overblown. According to that logic, it is literally impossible for someone to be incorrect about the meaning of a word.

> it is literally impossible for someone to be incorrect about the meaning of a word.

Yeah, it's important to frame it in terms of idiolects and dialects—any given speaker has an idiolect, and that idiolect is worth describing and documenting uncritically. But that speaker also benefits from speaking a shared dialect with other speakers, and it's valuable for that speaker to be on the same page with other speakers of their dialect about definitions.

I think what OP is getting at is that it's not the role of linguistics to assign a value judgement to a given usage—there are merely benefits that speakers can derive from better understanding the dialects that they use in daily life.

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The Readme goes right to how to install it, and other than the logo saying "sell your stuff, see what sticks" there is 0 information about what it does. Sure I can Google, but I think it should be right there, at the top of the Readme.

It's an ecommerce platform.

One might prove one's intent in offering this platform for actual use by others through providing some base level of documentation.

Re: Gumroad’s source is available

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Must be awesome to use this software in a country that does not use the US Dollar as its currency :)

let me tell you about currency exchange rates...

License only mentions USD. So as far as you have no USD revenue, you are fine.

Re: Gumroad’s source is available

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Could we please change the title to say : "Gumroad is source available"? This license is clearly fails OSD and is not open source by the industry standard; perpetuating a false statement is unhelpful. https://opensource.org/osd

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> It's open source as the average person would understand it.

Factually, this is not true. Facts outrank everything else.

Re: Gumroad’s source is available

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There should be a middleground between "The dictionary is law" and "Any native speaker can redefine a language". At the very least the direct consequence of >If the grammar rules you learned in school disagree with (any!) native speaker, the rules are wrong. is that every language has as many dialects as speakers. Imo dictionaries are descriptive rather than prescriptive not because it is impossible to have prescript…

> is that every language has as many dialects as speakers. This is actually treated as linguistic fact, although we call them "idiolects" when we're talking about that level of granularity. > not because it is impossible to have prescriptive definitions or grammar, it is just that dictionaries do not even try They don't try because the field of linguistics has arrived at the conclusion that the role of the linguist i…

But even knowing all of this, prescriptivism was beaten into many of us growing up, so some internal cringe is unavoidable.

For ex still cringe at people saying “anyways,” even though I know it’s a losing and pointless battle.

Not sure what the biggest driver is - being shamed while growing up, or just latent pedantry.

Re: Gumroad’s source is available

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Could we please change the title to say : "Gumroad is source available"? This license is clearly fails OSD and is not open source by the industry standard; perpetuating a false statement is unhelpful. https://opensource.org/osd

The license is actually pretty restrictive: you can only use this if you own a small company or work for government / non-profit. Most average human's (including myself) can't use the source code in any way: > You may use the software under this license only if (1) your company has less than 1 million USD (2024) total revenue in the prior tax year, and less than 10 million USD (2024) GMV (Gross Merchandise Value), or…

They are probably also trying to get free contributions to the codebase. Gumroad is infamous for underpaying and using cheap labor where possible.
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