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It's anti-competitive. Apple owns the platform and is giving preference to it's own apps on that platform. Every non-Apple app that competes with an Apple app is harmed.
So the solution is Apple will be forced to trust that apps asked properly, and grant whatever permissions the app claims I agreed to? And that's going to encourage me to use more third party apps?
Actually Apple were fined because they don't apply the same standard to their own pop-ups that allow users to reject tracking. On Apple popups you seem to need one click, while on 3rd party popups you need to confirm twice. So the fine seems to be for treating 3rd parties differently from their own stuff. They could make their own popups require double confirmation instead...
I'm actually okay with the Apple Camera app asking me once and the Domino's Pizza app having to ask me twice. Who are the consumers being harmed here?
Apple created this problem for itself when they decided that they wanted to double dip and become advertisers (while conveniently making advertisement less effective for everyone else). The amount they net from it surely can't be worth the trouble is causes. It's also simply scummy and always puts conflicting interests at play.
Still don't understand the two versus one confirmation thing. I have tracking entirely disabled so apps can't even request it, but it'd be nice to see some workflow of how Apple's tracking works versus everyone else. The complaint almost seems that Apple apps simply do track your details and use them for targeting, without any confirmation (which Apple argues is okay because there is no third party getting the deets), where others have to do the confirmation.
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It doesn't really matter if you are "fine" with their anti-conpetitive behavior. They should comply to regulations properly.
Why do we have regulations? Who do they benefit?
Weird you still have no idea why.
So let me tell you, there was a tribe in a village and they had many rules, some young boys hated the rules so they left and made their own village with no rules. One day one of them made a fire and let it unsupervised and many of their shacks burned so the boys decided that there should be one rule about not letting fires unsupervised.... the story continues with similar issues happening and they reluctantly adding one more tule, then one more rule until they get tot he same original rules from the original village.
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It doesn't really matter if you are "fine" with their anti-conpetitive behavior. They should comply to regulations properly.
That is borderline tautological. Apple should comply with the regulations, because they are the regulations. The regulations are there to protect users, a 3rd party application is more likely to harm the user, so less trust is warranted.
Correct.
> The regulations are there to protect users
Also correct.
> a 3rd party application is more likely to harm the user, so less trust is warranted.
Not sure if I agree or not, but it doesn't matter.
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I'm genuinely confused. Where's the double part? When I install an app I get a single popup asking whether I want to share with advertisers or not. I don't have to do anything twice. Is it different in Europe or something? Is there a second popup there, and if so, what?
This is for system-level permissions. In third-party apps, the app asks whether you want to enable X permission and then you get an OS-level confirmation request. It's not just in Europe. Likely they'll fall back in Europe to double-prompting as well in system apps.
I mean, I've had apps show a popup beforehand explaining what they want me to answer. But that's not required, nor does it seem common.
Actually Apple were fined because they don't apply the same standard to their own pop-ups that allow users to reject tracking. On Apple popups you seem to need one click, while on 3rd party popups you need to confirm twice. So the fine seems to be for treating 3rd parties differently from their own stuff. They could make their own popups require double confirmation instead...
I'm actually okay with the Apple Camera app asking me once and the Domino's Pizza app having to ask me twice. Who are the consumers being harmed here?
Some apps have a “pre permissions” pop up telling users about what permissions they’re about to ask for, before then initiating the iOS permissions pop up. The Apple apps go straight to the permissions pop up. How is it Apples fault they do this?
The native iOS permission dialog is only a consent about what the app can do locally, and doesn’t list the 1034 close partners that they will share your DNA with.
Makes me think.. one potential risk here is that vendors will band together under a common ”publisher” where apps can piggyback on consent from previous apps, just like the big guys do but without being part of the same feudal kingdom. Wouldn’t surprise me if this already happens.
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I'm actually okay with the Apple Camera app asking me once and the Domino's Pizza app having to ask me twice. Who are the consumers being harmed here?
It's anti-competitive. Apple owns the platform and is giving preference to it's own apps on that platform. Every non-Apple app that competes with an Apple app is harmed.