The incoming Q1 earning reports will show if these actions are mainstream enough to make a visible dent in companies quarterly earnings. For now, the already reported Tesla sales numbers in Europe are substantially down, but Tesla is the strongest target of the boycott. It will be interesting to see if consumer companies such as Coca Cola, Nike, Amazon also report a substantial drop in EU sales.
When politicians pick fights with leaders of other nations, the people don't have to go along with them.
Millions are visiting the European Alternatives site. What trends are we seeing?
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While I agree that Europe needs its own companies I don't think turning allies into enemies is a good idea.
Alas, the US declared Ukraine's president a dictator, is literally talking about annexing its allied neighbors, and launched a trade war against them and the EU.
The EU has been very explicit about wanting to maintain good relations with the US but the US unilaterally decided to treat its allies as enemies (except for Israel) and instead cozy up to Putin. Canada, Mexico and the EU have been extremely consistent and very measured in their responses.
If you don't want allies to turn into enemies, I'm sorry but you need a regime change. Unless you are literally asking for the rest of the world to join forces and invade the US to depose the government, I don't know what you expect us to do. This is on you, not us.
By the way, allegedly Trump is working on an EO that would declare fentanyl a WMD, which would legally justify military strikes in Canada and Mexico. I'm not saying the US is going to do that but given that Trump refuses to acknowledge the Canadian president and instead consistently refers to him as a "governor", and keeps insisting that Canada should be part of the United States and that the border is illegitimate - I'm sorry but this scenario is beginning to sound increasingly more plausible, especially once the tariffs on imports from Canada (e.g. fertilizer) will start to directly affect Americans and Trump will need someone to blame for the damage he caused. This isn't conduct appropriate for an "ally".
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#83The incoming Q1 earning reports will show if these actions are mainstream enough to make a visible dent in companies quarterly earnings. For now, the already reported Tesla sales numbers in Europe are substantially down, but Tesla is the strongest target of the boycott. It will be interesting to see if consumer companies such as Coca Cola, Nike, Amazon also report a substantial drop in EU sales.
Not sure how much it gets consumed, but many places in Germany rather sell Fritz-Kola only.
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#84It's one thing to visit the website, but I would be interested what % is actually migrating? For me personally, I had to install the "Go European" browser extension [1] before I actually started switching, due to more frequent reminders, from using mostly chatGPT/claude to LeChat by mistral (which feels at least as good). My Take-away: User stickiness is hard to break due to providers' walled gardens, even for me who…
Changed default search-engine on my laptop and cellphone. I still use google but rather as a fallback and I have to actively type in google into the address-bar.
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#85The very interesting question will then be : how many people _do_ switch ? For the personnal tools, people have lots of leeway (change mail provider, search engine, ai chatbot, etc...) For the enterprise, I really wonder how you defend a "let's migrate our infra from AWS to X" in general, even for technological reason or business reason ; I don't even know how you start a conversation like "aws works fine for us, but…
Some companies may see it as "let's switch for continuity-of-business reasons", not political reasons as such. Things may get worse over the next few years. Amazon is not spending billions on https://aws.amazon.com/compliance/europe-digital-sovereignty... for _fun_; even before ol' minihands's return, some highly risk-conscious companies, particularly those in sensitive fields, would not use AWS out of caution (the US-EU data protection treaties keep collapsing, for instance see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EU–US_Privacy_Shield ).
I'd say AWS is less at risk from this than most, actually, in that, as above, they have a plan, though just how watertight it is remains to be seen.
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#86Would be interesting to see a "Non-US Alternatives" site, just to see what's out there in Canada, Australia, China etc.
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#87This reminds me of Soviet ersatz products. Like the Soviet Union, the European Union operates at a scale where it can feasibly create a nearly full suite of goods/services in parallel to the market alternative.
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#88At my (enterprise) job there has been a noticable shift in attitude. We've just decided to use Mistral for OCR, even though everything we currently use is embedded in Azure / IntelDocs or something. Usually any push for EU products would be dismissed because of the initial friction compared to SV products. This seems to have shifted significantly all the way to the top. Everyone seems on board to just accept more fri…
Large companies aren’t driven by opinion/ethics/politics except where there’s a branding incentive, so the motivation here is cost/risk.
That these same companies are actively trying to nope right out of the US tech market where they can shows that they’ve priced in very real costs to both Trump’s unpredictability and the very predictable response to tariffs in their domestic markets.
Trump’s second term may end up being a great thing for tech markets outside of the US, as it drives investment into those regions and actively away from the status quo of SV hegemony.
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#89Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not sure how much it gets consumed, but many places in Germany rather sell Fritz-Kola only.
...I've only ever seen Fritz-Kola as a Berlin phenomenon tbh. There are some other regional brands though (e.g. in the Eastern German parts you're likely to see Vita Cola next to Coca Cola - completely different taste though).
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#90Earlier quoted context omitted.
Globalisation is over, and we were not the ones triggering its end.
i really really don't understand how americans don't realize that their president is sabotaging their economy. They were number 1 everywhere, and yet he destroyed all relationships with their main economical and military allies. It's totally impossible to understand, except with some hollywoodest scenario. But the fact that some american support this is borderline crazy.
Here are a few examples:
- The expulsion of the English from Havana in the 18th century
- The European inquisitions, and while we are at it, some elements of faith in general.
- Hitler's fascism (Hitler was elected)
- Fidel Castro's Cuba
- North Korea
- Italy's demographic problem
- Japan's demographic problem
... and so on. In all cases, you need the cold clarity of hindsight and a lot of detachment to see that people were acting foolishly. But during the time when the events are ensuing, stoked passions and outright manipulation prevent people from acting rationally. It's not like people act irrationally because they want to. It's simply too difficult to accept the right information, since each argument opposed to one's own beliefs is interpreted as a move from the enemy group.
This is the world we live in.