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The great Hobby Lobby artifact heist

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Re: The great Hobby Lobby artifact heist

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Post by Arainach »

watwut wrote: post #76
MrMcCall wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Bible is full of contradictions. And old testament is quite cruel at places. They are Christians. Destructive Christians on the quest to harm others ... but Christians.

There is no relevant contradiction. The entire New Testament is Jesus preaching love and forgiveness, Jesus practicing love and forgiveness - and not just to his followers - and explicit condemnation of wealth and instructing his followers to care for others.

Anyone who takes that message and instead lobbies to destroy healthcare and welfare and to push hate and attack anyone who doesn't agree with them - and anyone who votes for the party of politicians that has been practicing and preaching that for decades - is not a Christian regardless of how they spend their Sundays.

Re: The great Hobby Lobby artifact heist

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Post by MrMcCall »

watwut wrote: post #76
MrMcCall wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Bible is full of contradictions. And old testament is quite cruel at places. They are Christians. Destructive Christians on the quest to harm others ... but Christians.

As per what they call themselves, but to be of Christ is to follow his teachings of love. This is what they are, as per Matthew 25:40-45:

40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’

45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’

A person whom Christ calls out as "you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels" cannot be called in good faith (hardy har) a true Christian, like a true Scotsman must at least be from Scotland.

The callous fools cheering for 500k deportations of people back to war-torn lands full of strife are no Christians, my friend, no matter what they say.

"You have no idea how little we care about what people say." --Rumi

Hypocrisy is one of the 19 vices of the soul, all of which act in opposition to love, the Great(est) Command(ment).

Re: The great Hobby Lobby artifact heist

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Post by finnthehuman »

> The cuneiform texts of an ancient Mesopotamian people should, in theory, hold little interest to an arts and crafts vendor based in the midwestern United States.

Why shouldn't it? People with money buy artifacts and art of note. The rest of us buy replicas and less noteworthy stuff. People from the Midwest can take interest in ancient Mesopotamia.

When writers casts the reader as dumb so they can twist it with an upcoming reveal, it's a signal I use to stop reading. If the twist was good I wouldn't need to be made to think little of the Hobby Lobby owners.

Re: The great Hobby Lobby artifact heist

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Post by cozzyd »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #15
smithkl42 wrote: post #7

I wish the author was a little less over-wrought in her descriptions of the Green family's religious commitments. I've heard complaints before about the Green's artifact acquisition process, and they've had to return some manuscripts: it's a story worth investigating and telling. But it distracts from the author's main point when she's making snide comments about their faith. Yes, they're Christians who are successfu…

Completely agree. I think the author's tone in this article, in a nutshell, exemplifies what was a huge driving force of so many evangelical's in the US now being firmly in the MAGA camp, even though that seems paradoxical to many of us. For a long time now, many people who's religious values are deeply important to them have felt disrespected and looked down upon by "the left" (yes, I'm obviously painting with a bro…

Yes, it's not the people with the insane viewpoints who are fault, but the people who are insufficiently deferential to the insane viewpoints.

Re: The great Hobby Lobby artifact heist

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Post by wormlord »

smithkl42 wrote: post #7

I wish the author was a little less over-wrought in her descriptions of the Green family's religious commitments. I've heard complaints before about the Green's artifact acquisition process, and they've had to return some manuscripts: it's a story worth investigating and telling. But it distracts from the author's main point when she's making snide comments about their faith. Yes, they're Christians who are successfu…

Won't someone think of the poor megalomaniacal religious extremist billionaires???

Re: The great Hobby Lobby artifact heist

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Post by krapp »

g-b-r wrote: post #82
neuroelectron wrote: post #57

Kind of weird that this has 103 upvotes and all the comments are wondering what the point of this story is.

Kind of weird that there's all this support for Evangelicals on an Hacker News discussion.

It's not at all weird. Christianity is the cool new thing in Silicon Valley, apparently[0].

[0]https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43426885

Re: The great Hobby Lobby artifact heist

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Post by HeatrayEnjoyer »

smithkl42 wrote: post #7

I wish the author was a little less over-wrought in her descriptions of the Green family's religious commitments. I've heard complaints before about the Green's artifact acquisition process, and they've had to return some manuscripts: it's a story worth investigating and telling. But it distracts from the author's main point when she's making snide comments about their faith. Yes, they're Christians who are successfu…

In a just world they would be in prison for their horrendous harmful actions. I'm not going to lose sleep because an article wasn't kind to them.

Re: The great Hobby Lobby artifact heist

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Post by armchairhacker »

Iulioh wrote: post #72
armchairhacker wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Although it sounds very bad, there’s actually a good argument for paying disabled workers below-minimum wage: - Disabled people get paid (what is supposed to be, but not actually, a living wage) by the government, so they aren’t living on the wage. - No company would hire them if they were forced to pay minimum wage, because companies are greedy and would always hire a more productive non-disabled worker. - Many disa…

My counterargument would be: If it is bellow ""living wage"" it should not be allowed. (that was easy) You can find other workarounds to incentive the hiring of disabled people and we (in italy) have a few: -Requirement of medium and big firms to hire them (reduced ability, they can still perform) For example where i work there is a janitor that has dawn syndrome and an IT guy with dwarfism -tax breaks (so the worker…

The point is that the in theory, workers receive above living wage, even though the company pays below, because they also get paid by the government. (I'm arguing for the theory; in the US it's not true, but also in the US even minimum wage is below living).

However, tax breaks sound better.

I worry that requiring companies to hire disabled workers, instead of just making it profitable to do so, would cause more workers to be abused. Every method has some abuse from bad actors, but a requirement specifically influences companies who wouldn't hire disabled workers even if they could assign zero tasks to them and financially benefit.

Re: The great Hobby Lobby artifact heist

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Post by gadders »

MrMcCall wrote: post #54
doug_durham wrote: post #41

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It goes deeper than their "faith". These are the people who took away healthcare benefits from all Americans because they didn't personally want to fund birth control and women's health. It's reductive to say that the author looks negatively on the family because of their faith alone.

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