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Re: Italy demands Google poison DNS under strict Piracy Shield law

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Post by scarface_74 » Sun, Mar 23, 2025, 1:43 AM UTC

miki123211 wrote: post #51

stalfosknight wrote: post #36

Why must the Europeans be like this? Why do they insist on fucking with a free and open internet instead of addressing the apparently unmet demand that is fueling a black market?

For one simple reason. If the US wants some content gone from the internet, they (usually) have enough might to make that happen. Most major tech companies are registered in the US, and can be ordered by a US court to stop providing services to pirates. This notably includes most major DNS registrars, reputable ad networks and major payment processors. There's no point in blocking a website if you can just boot it of…

> If the US wants some content gone from the internet, they (usually) have enough might to make that happen

There are plenty of states in the US that enacted age verification laws for porn sites. Every single one of the porn sites that are not hosted in the US just ignored the laws. I live in one of those states

Re: Italy demands Google poison DNS under strict Piracy Shield law

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Post by golergka » Sun, Mar 23, 2025, 1:57 AM UTC

antirez wrote: post #76

Is all that folks "Why is Europe like that" from US? In that case, remember that TikTok is going to be banned because it is destroying US social networks business. On the contrary, this is an official order after the proof of copyright infringement, and targets the specific devices that are attached by people here in Italy on their TVs to stoke content (pezzotto). It's not single people that go watch some streaming,…

> TikTok is going to be banned because it is destroying US social networks business

Didn't Europe ban Russia Today and other Russian state sponsored media?

Re: Italy demands Google poison DNS under strict Piracy Shield law

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Post by zx8080 » Sun, Mar 23, 2025, 1:57 AM UTC

nashashmi wrote: post #42

rvnx wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's more simple, imagine Cloudflare is used to show pedophile content, and refuses to remove it. Then the solution is to cut access to Cloudflare. That's the logic here. It's not about whether they have offices or not, but whether they are distributing content to users in Italy. There is always a local relay or ISP in Italy that offers access to Cloudflare, and this relay can be coerced into blocking Cloudflare. Of…

Connections to foreign computers are not subjected to regulation currently.

> Connections to foreign computers are not subjected to regulation currently.

Italy has banned access to Deepseek a couple of weeks ago. Is that different?

Re: Italy demands Google poison DNS under strict Piracy Shield law

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Post by soraminazuki » Sun, Mar 23, 2025, 2:02 AM UTC

antirez wrote: post #76

Is all that folks "Why is Europe like that" from US? In that case, remember that TikTok is going to be banned because it is destroying US social networks business. On the contrary, this is an official order after the proof of copyright infringement, and targets the specific devices that are attached by people here in Italy on their TVs to stoke content (pezzotto). It's not single people that go watch some streaming,…

That sounds much better than DMCA takedowns for sure. But many of us are against the current copyright regime itself. The ridiculously long duration of copyright ensures that nothing culturally relevant goes to the public domain. For things that are relevant, the weaponization of copyright laws takes away our ability to own what we bought and paid for. There's even a common saying that "if buying isn't owning, piracy isn't stealing."

Re: Italy demands Google poison DNS under strict Piracy Shield law

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Post by realusername » Sun, Mar 23, 2025, 2:03 AM UTC

golergka wrote: post #82

antirez wrote: post #76

Is all that folks "Why is Europe like that" from US? In that case, remember that TikTok is going to be banned because it is destroying US social networks business. On the contrary, this is an official order after the proof of copyright infringement, and targets the specific devices that are attached by people here in Italy on their TVs to stoke content (pezzotto). It's not single people that go watch some streaming,…

> TikTok is going to be banned because it is destroying US social networks business Didn't Europe ban Russia Today and other Russian state sponsored media?

Those never were real media though and they didn't even pretend anymore.

Officially it was banned as a part of the economic sanctions but being a part of their war machine would have been enough of a reason by itself.

Re: Italy demands Google poison DNS under strict Piracy Shield law

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Post by WalterGillman » Sun, Mar 23, 2025, 2:03 AM UTC

LeroyRaz wrote: post #78

antirez wrote: post #76

Is all that folks "Why is Europe like that" from US? In that case, remember that TikTok is going to be banned because it is destroying US social networks business. On the contrary, this is an official order after the proof of copyright infringement, and targets the specific devices that are attached by people here in Italy on their TVs to stoke content (pezzotto). It's not single people that go watch some streaming,…

TikTok is a legitimate national security concern.

How? It might expedite intel gathering and psychological warfare to an extent but let's not pretend China doesn't have agents inside of all of the "friendly" platforms already.

Re: Italy demands Google poison DNS under strict Piracy Shield law

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Post by realusername » Sun, Mar 23, 2025, 2:05 AM UTC

LeroyRaz wrote: post #78

antirez wrote: post #76

Is all that folks "Why is Europe like that" from US? In that case, remember that TikTok is going to be banned because it is destroying US social networks business. On the contrary, this is an official order after the proof of copyright infringement, and targets the specific devices that are attached by people here in Italy on their TVs to stoke content (pezzotto). It's not single people that go watch some streaming,…

TikTok is a legitimate national security concern.

In the EU, I'd rank it a lower national security threat than Twitter or Facebook, by far.

And seeing what's going on in the US now, I'd maybe have the same analysis for the US.

Re: Italy demands Google poison DNS under strict Piracy Shield law

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Post by ekianjo » Sun, Mar 23, 2025, 2:06 AM UTC

antirez wrote: post #76

Is all that folks "Why is Europe like that" from US? In that case, remember that TikTok is going to be banned because it is destroying US social networks business. On the contrary, this is an official order after the proof of copyright infringement, and targets the specific devices that are attached by people here in Italy on their TVs to stoke content (pezzotto). It's not single people that go watch some streaming,…

It's copyright infringement. That's the only correct word to use. (Stealing is a wrong word because it implies physical scarcity)

Re: Italy demands Google poison DNS under strict Piracy Shield law

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Post by ekianjo » Sun, Mar 23, 2025, 2:08 AM UTC

WalterGillman wrote: post #86

LeroyRaz wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

TikTok is a legitimate national security concern.

How? It might expedite intel gathering and psychological warfare to an extent but let's not pretend China doesn't have agents inside of all of the "friendly" platforms already.

Because China can control what gets recommended to TikTok viewers and actively brainwash them. Even if it does not work on all people that's enough to be a security concern.

Re: Italy demands Google poison DNS under strict Piracy Shield law

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Post by mpalmer » Sun, Mar 23, 2025, 2:08 AM UTC

antirez wrote: post #76

Is all that folks "Why is Europe like that" from US? In that case, remember that TikTok is going to be banned because it is destroying US social networks business. On the contrary, this is an official order after the proof of copyright infringement, and targets the specific devices that are attached by people here in Italy on their TVs to stoke content (pezzotto). It's not single people that go watch some streaming,…

What does it matter what nonsense we in the US do? The Italian law is well-made and justly-carried out, or it isn't. Personally, I am happy to condemn my own government for its many failures.