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A glitch in an online survey replaced the word 'yes' with 'forks'

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This made me wonder what a poffert is, if a poffertje is a cute baby version of them. So I Googled it. Sure enough, it's a cake.

That would be a poffer, as the interstitial t is added to words ending in r when forming the diminutive. And no, I didn't know what a poffer was either. :)

That would be a "puffer" or light, fluffy cake.

Re: A glitch in an online survey replaced the word 'yes' with 'forks'

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As a native Spanish speaker it took me a moment to understand why "yes" was being translated as "forks" until it clicked and it's not an error.

In Spanish "Ye" is how we call the letter Y and "La ye" is a word used, at least in the version of Spanish spoken where I come from, to refer to the place where a road forks. Hence the fork in the road is "La ye" and the plural would be "Las yes" or the forks. In this context forks is referring to where the road forks not to the eating utensil (which would be "tenedores").

Re: A glitch in an online survey replaced the word 'yes' with 'forks'

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Common with international treaties. The trade agreement known as USMCA in the USA is known as CUSMA in Canada and T-MEC (Treaty between Mexico, USA, and Canada) in Mexico. Countries almost always put themselves first.

And NATO is also OTAN, because France insisted on having a French translation of the treaty to be treated equally with English version. Btw NATO and OTAN being anagrams is a coincidence

> Btw NATO and OTAN being anagrams is a coincidence

Not really, many initialisms are mirrors between French and English because their very similar languages in these contexts (same names and same etymology for nouns and adjectives means same letters) and grammatical rules are the opposite of each other (reversed letter order). Eg UN and NU, EU and UE, EEC and CEE, CCP and PCC…

Re: A glitch in an online survey replaced the word 'yes' with 'forks'

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And NATO is also OTAN, because France insisted on having a French translation of the treaty to be treated equally with English version. Btw NATO and OTAN being anagrams is a coincidence

> Btw NATO and OTAN being anagrams is a coincidence Not really, many initialisms are mirrors between French and English because their very similar languages in these contexts (same names and same etymology for nouns and adjectives means same letters) and grammatical rules are the opposite of each other (reversed letter order). Eg UN and NU, EU and UE, EEC and CEE, CCP and PCC…

And then, when you can't even agree on dual initialisms, you get UTC.

Re: A glitch in an online survey replaced the word 'yes' with 'forks'

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> You're going to love YouTube automatically translating video titles to your geo-ip language... This is the worst feature of YouTube for me. Any idea how I can turn this off and show the original language title?

It's not automatic, channels opt into it. It's in fact a great way to identify spammy channels, because 1. They know YouTube's algorithm rewards them for it 2. They know it makes their stuff objectively worse and the only channels who know that and still opt into it, are channels which have no shame and are pure view-bait trash. So when I see a bork-Norwegian video title like "Du gjetter aldri hva som skjedde neste!"…

#1 is the crux. People have come to expect high quality videos that require teams of sometimes dozens of people, and creators are held hostage by YouTube's algorithm that keeps on changing and is an effective black box.

Re: A glitch in an online survey replaced the word 'yes' with 'forks'

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I think I have a better one. I was trying to download some software from a Japanese website (this was about 10 yrs ago I think). There was an entire survey you had to fill out first. Since I speak no Japanese, I naturally used Google Translate (to Polish, not even to English). That survey had a "gender" field, and the options were something like "person" and "woman". Then there are the automatic (mis)translations of…

There was a fun one going around where the title of the game "Watchdogs" had turned into Norwegian for "look at dogs".

Re: gender, there's all sorts of chaos going between languages which have no grammatical gender (CJK languages, Finnish etc) and those which have mandatory grammatical gender (Latin languages), because the information may simply not be available in the same sentence. So you get obvious misgenderings of "(female name) .. he" or vice versa.

Re: A glitch in an online survey replaced the word 'yes' with 'forks'

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As a native Spanish speaker it took me a moment to understand why "yes" was being translated as "forks" until it clicked and it's not an error. In Spanish "Ye" is how we call the letter Y and "La ye" is a word used, at least in the version of Spanish spoken where I come from, to refer to the place where a road forks. Hence the fork in the road is "La ye" and the plural would be "Las yes" or the forks. In this context…

Wonderful explanation, thank you!

Re: A glitch in an online survey replaced the word 'yes' with 'forks'

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I'm wondering where the "forks" translation came from in the first place. Google Translate used to be fairly reliable for simple translations, but I've seen several examples in the last couple of years where it goes batshit crazy, including starting to loop hallucinating sentences on repeat. Is absolutely nobody checking how well it performs before deploying nowadays?

Explanation here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43491450

Re: A glitch in an online survey replaced the word 'yes' with 'forks'

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"our vendor now matches the lightbox scripting to the language of the text on the webpage" "The auto-translate pop-up may still be triggered on occasion, but the HTML in the survey wrapper prevents it from changing the content on the webpage." I have no idea what either of these sentences mean, and they're both very important to the fix.

My guess (it would be nice if they actually said...) is that they were missing the required lang attribute on their HTML. If not defined it will default to unknown (not to the user's locale) and so this makes Chrome guess. And there wasn't much text in the lightbox (which might be a different page?) for the browser to infer from.

That's probably true, however I'd be really curious to know why Chrome's guess for "yes" is the Spanish word for "Y-junctions" instead of the English word yes.

Re: A glitch in an online survey replaced the word 'yes' with 'forks'

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"our vendor now matches the lightbox scripting to the language of the text on the webpage" "The auto-translate pop-up may still be triggered on occasion, but the HTML in the survey wrapper prevents it from changing the content on the webpage." I have no idea what either of these sentences mean, and they're both very important to the fix.

My guess (it would be nice if they actually said...) is that they were missing the required lang attribute on their HTML. If not defined it will default to unknown (not to the user's locale) and so this makes Chrome guess. And there wasn't much text in the lightbox (which might be a different page?) for the browser to infer from.

This was my immediate thought, but it doesn't sound like what they did. They also mention they still get the Google translate pop up - which suggests they didn't.

Though it sounds like they serve many languages, so they'd need to do each survey individually.

Maybe the survey part is an iframe?

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