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Google to pay $28M to settle claims it favoured white and Asian employees

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Re: Google to pay $28M to settle claims it favoured white and Asian employees

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Post by yieldcrv »

theflyinghorse wrote: post #68
yieldcrv wrote: post #11

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Except people on Blind brag about doing this under the domains they control. I wouldn't interpret this as a top-level policy, just some individuals in some hiring and pay/leveling decisions with little accountability. This does mean they represent Google though, and one remedy for that is a settlement by the corporate entity. Ideally shareholders would become interested in rooting this out and creating better, less e…

What's the effective difference between unofficial policy of discrimination and individual groups conducting discrimination en mass? Thinking back to a unicorn I worked for we were unofficially told to favour women in hiring. We all thought it was a great idea at that time, but also I do remember a coworker saying how her group has been doing heavy favouring of women in hiring for years already before being told to d…

There isn't an effective difference

If people want to change anything about it, they need to know the structure of it

Re: Google to pay $28M to settle claims it favoured white and Asian employees

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wijwp wrote: post #76
footlose_3815 wrote: post #61

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The people who are running the diversity stuff at Google when I was there were very "Eye-for-an-eye". Some dumb stuff that happened while I was at Google: * There was a ERG for literally every single race except White people. "Just join one of the others" was what they told me. * During an onboarding learning exercise because I was merely showing initiative before the rest of the group. "Ok everyone here's my idea".…

As a white man who used to work for G: > There was a ERG for literally every single race except White people. "Just join one of the others" was what they told me. What would an ERG for white people even do? What would you want from it? > Nonwhite employees in my org also got a special mentor who helped them get a leg-up in the company. There are general mentorship programs, too. Usually focused on career development.…

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Re: Google to pay $28M to settle claims it favoured white and Asian employees

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Post by msie »

unclebucknasty wrote: post #73
footlose_3815 wrote: post #61

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The people who are running the diversity stuff at Google when I was there were very "Eye-for-an-eye". Some dumb stuff that happened while I was at Google: * There was a ERG for literally every single race except White people. "Just join one of the others" was what they told me. * During an onboarding learning exercise because I was merely showing initiative before the rest of the group. "Ok everyone here's my idea".…

> There was a ERG for literally every single race except White people. "Just join one of the others" was what they told me. Imagine moving to say, Switzerland, to work for a massive corporation. 90% of the employees are Swiss. The other 10% come from a smattering of other countries from around the world. To help those employees acclimate to a new culture and find support, the company sponsors country-based ERGs. Of c…

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Re: Google to pay $28M to settle claims it favoured white and Asian employees

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Post by dietr1ch »

ben_w wrote: post #56
dietr1ch wrote: post #35

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Side rant. Cut the Latinx crap please, Latinos don't really feel represented by the force-fed "inclusive" name that straight up goes against their gendered languages. It's overriding the language to seem more inclusive in English

On the one hand, this is linguistically correct… if we were speaking Spanish. As we're not actually using real Spanish, such criticisms feel to me like objecting to the way Star Trek dares to boldly split infinitives that have never been split before on the basis that Latin (the language) didn't split them — Latin couldn't split infinitives because infinitives in Latin are single words, just as the -x suffix to denot…

> On the one hand, this is linguistically correct… if we were speaking Spanish.

I don't see many English words ending in X, so I doubt it's linguistically correct in English either. Normally you just borrow the word as closely as possible, maybe trying to make it easier to pronounce (see any word the Japanese borrow from English), but here people that didn't speak Spanish, but apparently knew a little bit took over.

Re: Google to pay $28M to settle claims it favoured white and Asian employees

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Post by rqtwteye »

wijwp wrote: post #76
footlose_3815 wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The people who are running the diversity stuff at Google when I was there were very "Eye-for-an-eye". Some dumb stuff that happened while I was at Google: * There was a ERG for literally every single race except White people. "Just join one of the others" was what they told me. * During an onboarding learning exercise because I was merely showing initiative before the rest of the group. "Ok everyone here's my idea".…

As a white man who used to work for G: > There was a ERG for literally every single race except White people. "Just join one of the others" was what they told me. What would an ERG for white people even do? What would you want from it? > Nonwhite employees in my org also got a special mentor who helped them get a leg-up in the company. There are general mentorship programs, too. Usually focused on career development.…

“ What would an ERG for white people even do? What would you want from it?”

What do other groups get? Support, networking, mentorship probably. A lot of white people could use that help too.

Re: Google to pay $28M to settle claims it favoured white and Asian employees

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Post by dietr1ch »

thephyber wrote: post #71
lupusreal wrote: post #65

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Lead by example.

My comment was pointing out the hypocrisy of the parent. I don’t use LatinX, but I don’t think it changes anything and it doesn’t bother me that other people do.

> I don’t use LatinX, but I don’t think it changes anything and it doesn’t bother me that other people do.

Surely it doesn't change anything for you, but I'm not complaining because absolutely no one got mad, people were furious, but unsure how to get angry at the Diversity stuff without getting cancelled.

Re: Google to pay $28M to settle claims it favoured white and Asian employees

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Post by rqtwteye »

unclebucknasty wrote: post #73
footlose_3815 wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The people who are running the diversity stuff at Google when I was there were very "Eye-for-an-eye". Some dumb stuff that happened while I was at Google: * There was a ERG for literally every single race except White people. "Just join one of the others" was what they told me. * During an onboarding learning exercise because I was merely showing initiative before the rest of the group. "Ok everyone here's my idea".…

> There was a ERG for literally every single race except White people. "Just join one of the others" was what they told me. Imagine moving to say, Switzerland, to work for a massive corporation. 90% of the employees are Swiss. The other 10% come from a smattering of other countries from around the world. To help those employees acclimate to a new culture and find support, the company sponsors country-based ERGs. Of c…

ERG groups provide mentorship and support. The assumption that all white people, males or in this case Swiss don’t need support or get it automatically is plain wrong.

Re: Google to pay $28M to settle claims it favoured white and Asian employees

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Post by moate »

tdb7893 wrote: post #59
reissbaker wrote: post #48

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As another commenter pointed out elsewhere, Google recently paid out a settlement claiming that it discriminated against Asians. https://www.dol.gov/newsroom/releases/ofccp/ofccp20210201 This settlement claims they favored Asians, but Google paid it out too! So, yes, it appears Google is in the habit of paying out contradictory settlements rather than litigating them.

One thing I will note is that both of these can be true. Google is a huge company run by a lot of people and unless the specific claims are contradictory there's nothing stopping Google from doing both. It's not like we can expect it to be run with any consistent ideology

Getting 5 people to agree on one thing is so hard companies have Project Managers, doesn't seem unlikely that the left hand doesn't speak to the right when you get to Google scale.

Re: Google to pay $28M to settle claims it favoured white and Asian employees

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Post by dagmx »

reissbaker wrote: post #48
rchaud wrote: post #27

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Got any evidence for that? Is Google in the habit of paying out giant HR-related settlements for something other than protecting good ol' boys like Andy Rubin? https://www.cbsnews.com/news/andy-rubin-google-settlement-se... Google has enough money to hire the best law firms too. Why would any law firm engage in frivolous litigation against a potential future client? The linked settlement is 10X that of this one, whic…

As another commenter pointed out elsewhere, Google recently paid out a settlement claiming that it discriminated against Asians. https://www.dol.gov/newsroom/releases/ofccp/ofccp20210201 This settlement claims they favored Asians, but Google paid it out too! So, yes, it appears Google is in the habit of paying out contradictory settlements rather than litigating them.

At the scale of Google, both claims can be true. Different teams are responsible for their hiring and management, so might have their own biases.

Re: Google to pay $28M to settle claims it favoured white and Asian employees

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Post by gedy »

footlose_3815 wrote: post #61
sampton wrote: post #5

Google is guilty of a lot of things but this is a drive-by shakedown by predatory law firms.

The people who are running the diversity stuff at Google when I was there were very "Eye-for-an-eye". Some dumb stuff that happened while I was at Google: * There was a ERG for literally every single race except White people. "Just join one of the others" was what they told me. * During an onboarding learning exercise because I was merely showing initiative before the rest of the group. "Ok everyone here's my idea".…

Let me take a wild guess that they don't not have a group for former poor people?
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