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Re: Moving away from US cloud services

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Post by wkat4242 »

nasso_dev wrote: post #61
Dzidas wrote: post #29

The biggest elephants in the room are cloud providers, but I didn't find an easy alternative yet (hetzner, ovhcloud). ATM, the idea to the business is sold, that data resides somewhere near by in a datacenter, EU proximity. However, the EU businesses are realising that, well, whole region is at a mercy of one person.

How about Scaleway?

I like them a lot but they only have EU DCs, if you are looking for Global (or at least Asia) you're out of luck for now. Perhaps this disconnect from US services might give them the impulse to spread out though! I'm really happy with them as a customer and I don't have needs beyond Europe anyway.

Re: Moving away from US cloud services

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Post by arthurmorgan »

Skinney wrote: post #72
frereubu wrote: post #58

> Wrapping up - Migrating away from US cloud services was easier than I expected. This is absolutely not the main takeaway and I find it difficult to see how he could write this - there are gaping holes. Git repos (it's too difficult). NPM (ditto). Startpage uses Google's index. The only meaningful switch he mentions is Proton, but as other comments have pointed out they have vendor lock-in problems. The real takeawa…

> Git repos (it's too difficult) Sourcehut > Startpage uses Google's index. If they have enough users/make enough money, they'll make their own. Ecosia and Qwant (both european search engines) are working together to make their own index. In any case, even if a european is a proxy for an american service, you need to prove that there is a market for an european equivalent for change to happen.

TIL that Sourcehut is or has been moving to the EU/Netherlands, thanks!

Re: Moving away from US cloud services

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Post by rambambram »

> Startpage is owned by a Dutch company which is operated from its headquarters in The Hague, the Netherlands, and is a part of System1, a publicly traded company based in the United States.

I was hoping Startpage was the successor of startpagina.nl, which I used as a kid in 1995 to 'browse' the web. One of the oldest Dutch websites that I can remember. Fond memories!

Re: Moving away from US cloud services

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Post by cassianoleal »

wkat4242 wrote: post #60
noirscape wrote: post #45

A shame that OP recommends Proton. The fact they don't support open email protocols like IMAP/SMTP without an extremely frustrating proxy setup is what ultimately turned me away from their service. Being able to "just" use a native mail client is pretty much a must. The vendor lock-in from something like Proton feels way worse as a result. Can't speak to Proton Pass, but it strikes me as a replacement that seems unne…

Yes I'm not a fan of Proton either. Especially because they hammer so much on their "Encryption" thing while 95% of the mails you get will come unencrypted from one of the big tech parties, Google, Microsoft, Amazon. So what is the point, really? And because of this indeed it is very hard to connect to it. Email is just dead as a tech. It's no surprise nobody uses it for sensitive content anymore but instead just use…

> It's no surprise nobody uses it for sensitive content anymore

I get password reset links for pretty much every website on email. Few things as sensitive as that.

I also receive and send documents, signed or for signing, with pretty sensitive information, over email.

I agree it shouldn't be used for those but it certainly still is.

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Post by floweronthehill »

iagooar wrote: post #37

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This comment makes me think of the Gell-Mann amnesia effect but applied to comments. If I was unaware of what has been happening for the past few weeks I would find this comment reasonable and well nuanced. I realize that many times I read something on hn on a subject I know almost nothing about and leave thinking I've learned something.

Re: Moving away from US cloud services

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Post by nickslaughter02 »

systemf_omega wrote: post #42

Privacy rights in the EU are being eroded as we speak. Unless people there get off their high horse, they'll succumb to the same level of authoritarianism and surveillance as in the states. Also, sorry, but the idea that EU countries are in any position to build a serious hyperscaler is pure fiction. Growth, funding, risk, innovation - those are alien concepts to European entrepreneurs.

> Privacy rights in the EU are being eroded as we speak. Unless people there get off their high horse, they'll succumb to the same level of authoritarianism and surveillance as in the states.

Last time I checked not even the US is proposing to install AI agents on everybody's phone to surveil your encrypted messages (look up chat control, last meeting not even 2 months ago). Soon people will start looking for non-EU VPNs to install Signal (the CEO said they would leave EU if the law passed).

> Also, sorry, but the idea that EU countries are in any position to build a serious hyperscaler is pure fiction. Growth, funding, risk, innovation - those are alien concepts to European entrepreneurs.

Disagree, some of the EU clouds are already well on their way.

Re: Moving away from US cloud services

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Post by sneak »

noirscape wrote: post #45

A shame that OP recommends Proton. The fact they don't support open email protocols like IMAP/SMTP without an extremely frustrating proxy setup is what ultimately turned me away from their service. Being able to "just" use a native mail client is pretty much a must. The vendor lock-in from something like Proton feels way worse as a result. Can't speak to Proton Pass, but it strikes me as a replacement that seems unne…

Yeah, I was a Protonmail evangelist but their mobile app sucks and their client software has nonconsensual surveillance embedded in it that you have to remember to turn off.

Re: Moving away from US cloud services

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Post by mytailorisrich »

cbg0 wrote: post #68
Dzidas wrote: post #29

The biggest elephants in the room are cloud providers, but I didn't find an easy alternative yet (hetzner, ovhcloud). ATM, the idea to the business is sold, that data resides somewhere near by in a datacenter, EU proximity. However, the EU businesses are realising that, well, whole region is at a mercy of one person.

I think this is less of an issue than people actually think - if it gets to the point where this becomes a real problem, individual EU countries can force the datacenter owners like Google/MS to change ownership structure for these datacenters to EU-based subsidiaries or completely new companies if they want to continue to operate.

Virtually all foreign companies that set-up shop in Europe (or anywhere else) do so by setting up local subsidiaries.

Google, Amazon, Facebook, Apple, etc. When you deal with all of these guys in Europe you deal with their local subsidiary(ies), not the US mothership.

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