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Come the AI robot apocalypse, he will be the second on the list to be shot.. The guys kicking the Boston Dynamics robots will be first.
No, the first will be Kevin Roose. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/30/technology/ai-chatbot-cha...
Reverse engineering OpenAI code execution to make it run C and JavaScript
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Re: Reverse engineering OpenAI code execution to make it run C and JavaScript
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What is really at risk?
Maybe the instances are shared between users via sharding or are re-used and not properly cleaned. And maybe they contain the memory of the users and/or the documents uploaded?
Again, what is the risk?
Re: Reverse engineering OpenAI code execution to make it run C and JavaScript
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I guess a sandbox escape, something, profit?
Dont OpenAI have a ton of data on all of its users ?
Re: Reverse engineering OpenAI code execution to make it run C and JavaScript
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Maybe the instances are shared between users via sharding or are re-used and not properly cleaned. And maybe they contain the memory of the users and/or the documents uploaded?
And what do you expect to get? Some arbitrary uninteresting corporate paper, a homework, someones fanfiction. Again, what is the risk?
Re: Reverse engineering OpenAI code execution to make it run C and JavaScript
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Dont OpenAI have a ton of data on all of its users ?
And what is at risk? Someone seeing someones else fanfiction? Or another reworded business email? Or the vacancy report of sone guy in southern germany?
Re: Reverse engineering OpenAI code execution to make it run C and JavaScript
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> a stopped clock is deterministic I think the analogy breaks down here. The elided bit "time indicator" implied at the end makes that statement is false. A stopped clock is not a deterministic time indicator. If the correct answer changes, a (correct and accurate) deterministic model either gets new input and changes the answer accordingly, or is not correct to begin with.
Determinism is unrelated to correctness. Deterministic means the output depends only on the state you consider to be relevant, and not other factors. A stopped clock is deterministic: no matter what you do, it gives you the same output. A working, accurate clock is deterministic if you consider the current time to be a relevant piece of state, but not if you don't. Consider how "deterministic builds" need to avoid ti…
I never said it is. That's why I qualified my example with the word correct.
> no matter what you do, it gives you the same output
This is not deterministic. This is determined. I think this is the confusion I was pointing out.
>> Deterministic means that if it is accurate/correct once, it will continue to be in future runs (unless the correct answer changes; a stopped clock is deterministic).
The bit in the parenthesis, I am trying to argue, is nonsense. If the correct answer changes, the system is not accurate or correct to begin with so the point is moot. Correcting the system will make it accurate. A stopped clock is not deterministic, it's determined. As a time indicator, a stopped clock is not a correct, accurate or deterministic model at all under any possible interpretation.
Re: Reverse engineering OpenAI code execution to make it run C and JavaScript
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Determinism is unrelated to correctness. Deterministic means the output depends only on the state you consider to be relevant, and not other factors. A stopped clock is deterministic: no matter what you do, it gives you the same output. A working, accurate clock is deterministic if you consider the current time to be a relevant piece of state, but not if you don't. Consider how "deterministic builds" need to avoid ti…
> Determinism is unrelated to correctness. I never said it is. That's why I qualified my example with the word correct. > no matter what you do, it gives you the same output This is not deterministic. This is determined. I think this is the confusion I was pointing out. >> Deterministic means that if it is accurate/correct once, it will continue to be in future runs (unless the correct answer changes; a stopped clock…
I build a box. It has an LCD display. It has a button labeled “what time is it”. You push the button and it always shows “10:43am”. This is a deterministic system.
Re: Reverse engineering OpenAI code execution to make it run C and JavaScript
#89Earlier quoted context omitted.
Determinism is unrelated to correctness. Deterministic means the output depends only on the state you consider to be relevant, and not other factors. A stopped clock is deterministic: no matter what you do, it gives you the same output. A working, accurate clock is deterministic if you consider the current time to be a relevant piece of state, but not if you don't. Consider how "deterministic builds" need to avoid ti…
> Determinism is unrelated to correctness. I never said it is. That's why I qualified my example with the word correct. > no matter what you do, it gives you the same output This is not deterministic. This is determined. I think this is the confusion I was pointing out. >> Deterministic means that if it is accurate/correct once, it will continue to be in future runs (unless the correct answer changes; a stopped clock…
Determinism is about the behavior of a system. Correctness is also about the purpose of a system. A system can have deterministic behavior while being completely unfit for its purpose. And depending on its purpose, it can be fit for purpose while being nondeterministic.