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Apple has locked me in the same cage Microsoft's built for Windows 10 users

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Re: Apple has locked me in the same cage Microsoft's built for Windows 10 users

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Post by Daishiman »

pjmlp wrote: post #40
Daishiman wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no reason apart from Apple's closed-source restrictive software policies that the device is nowhere near as useful as it could be.

If it doesn't fit you, don't buy it only to complain. There are other vendors with more open experiences. If those vendors actually get enough market share, maybe even Apple might adopt them. Exactly like they did with keyboards, pen, and windows management, that came before on PC and Android tablets.

If the largest vendor of computer hardware on the planet purposely locks down its devices for no apparent consumer benefit then informed users have every right to complain to the less informed how this harms the entire market in the long run.

Re: Apple has locked me in the same cage Microsoft's built for Windows 10 users

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Post by ForHackernews »

jmull wrote: post #37
belorn wrote: post #31

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If ignoring the thing would work then people would do that. The problem is not that anti-consumer products exist along side pro-consumer products. It is that anti-consumer products out compete pro-consumer products to the point that all that remains (within reasons) are anti-consumer products. There are market reasons for this behavior. Asymmetric information in markets (lemon markets), true cost obfuscation, hidden…

How would ignoring the ipad not have solved OP's problem? They could have just replaced their old macbook with a new macbook. Not that there's anything wrong with trying something new, IMO. But if you do so without doing any research, and it turns out to not be what you expected, there's nothing to complain about. Hopefully OP just returned the ipad and got a macbook upon realizing their mistake. You seem to be sugge…

All of the limitations of the iPad are coming for your macbook, too. Already, it's difficult (not yet impossible) to install software outside the confines of Apple's app store. Already it's difficult (not yet impossible) to develop software for a mac without paying Apple for the privilege of "signing" your code.

Re: Apple has locked me in the same cage Microsoft's built for Windows 10 users

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Post by [deleted] »

api wrote: post #46
bluefirebrand wrote: post #32

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> Probably 95% of people who own computers do not need root access and should not have it, possibly ever But they should be able to take it to someone else who can use root access to fix it The idea that a person should not have any access to be an admin of a physical device that they own is ridiculous They might not need it, they might not ever use it, but they should absolutely be able to if a situation calls for i…

Unfortunately if you give non-technical users root you are also giving root to the phishing site or fraudster that cons them into giving it root. It's hard for technical people to get their heads around just what a hostile environment the modern scam and hustler riddled slop and spam infested Internet is. Using the net as a non-technical user is like walking around a dodgy high crime area of some third world city at…

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Re: Apple has locked me in the same cage Microsoft's built for Windows 10 users

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Post by walterbell »

NoPicklez wrote: post #73

I don't understand these articles, they've stumbled upon what many of us have known which is that the iPad just doesn't feel the same as a Macbook laptop. The iPad just doesn't suit what they need, some people it does suit them better, others not. They could've just gone back to the Macbook and left the iPad for others, but felt the need for an article. I was telling people back in 2012 that whilst the iPad is a shin…

> not designed to work that way

Owners of unmodified M1+ iPad Pros and iPadOS 16.3 can run performant Linux/other VMs, e.g. Linux web server and iOS client.

Owners of unmodified M1+ iPad Pros with iPadOS 16.4+ can very-slowly run Linux/other VMs via UTM emulation.

Owners of jailbroken M1+ iPad Pros can run Linux/other VMs by adding hypervisor entitlement.

Re: Apple has locked me in the same cage Microsoft's built for Windows 10 users

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Post by futuraperdita »

kcplate wrote: post #58
nkotov wrote: post #13

I have two iPads Pros. I still can't figure out where I can use them. I realize that they are overpowered entertainment devices for me now.

I am an avid iPad Pro user (on #3) but it took me making a concerted effort to unlearn over three decades of my understanding of what a computer is to me, my old standby app favorites, and to be willing to force myself to use the new instead of leaning on the comfortable old. Prior to that I’ll admit that it was an entertainment device. Now it can basically serve all of my computing needs. What caused me to make the…

I bought the iPad Pro 11 (M4) on its release day and did the same thing you did: throwing out what I knew to adjust to new paradigms. I regret its purchase. It is still fundamentally a device that cannot handle code-based workflows, although it's OK for some media creation.

For software development, the canonical advice consists of excuses that rely on a "Pro" device to be a thin client. Remoting out to a workstation somewhere else defeats the purpose of having an M4 in the tablet itself. I can't even run a VM with native virtualization. A Chromebook with Crostini offers more functionality in this regard.

You are also a consumer in another way: iOS revenue models are optimized for rent-seeking, whereas that is only partially true for macOS - even for Apple itself. As an example, I use Logic on the Mac and I pay for it once - Logic for iPad is subscription based.

I don't hate the idea of the iPad overall - I have an iPad mini I use to read and mark up papers, and it's great for that.

Re: Apple has locked me in the same cage Microsoft's built for Windows 10 users

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Post by drdaeman »

kelnos wrote: post #75
frosting1337 wrote: post #56

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I mean the author explains his thoughts in the article, you should read it again.

The author's thoughts don't make sense, though. He's expecting a locked-down tablet appliance to suit the same needs and use cases as a laptop running a general-purpose OS. Or at best, he's not expecting that, but is at least complaining about it, which feels a little pointless. He can get what he wants by buying a new Mac, as he suggests. It's not like what he wants doesn't exist. He's just complaining that some oth…

My understanding is that the post is essentially a complaint about deceptive marketing.

iPads are marketed as capable of "doing all the things you love", how it's "so versatile it's up to any task" and so on - leading to perception that it's like a computer, except in a different form factor. While, in reality, of course it's not.

Personally, I never found any subjectively meaningful use case for iPads except for portable media consumption (aka watching movies on the Porcelain Throne, and even then it's not a great option as it lacks multi-user support). Every time Apple announces a new one, I have this feeling of cognitive dissonance between what the device actually is and how it's marketed.

(I'm sure there are lots of good use cases for iPad - just nothing I personally need or care about. Aka "I'm not in the target market")

Re: Apple has locked me in the same cage Microsoft's built for Windows 10 users

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Post by futuraperdita »

Closi wrote: post #11
BoredPositron wrote: post #5

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That’s not really the discussion. We know that iPadOS is shit. On windows and Linux there are form factors that fit the users use case perfectly but they don’t want these products. Instead of adapting to those system they decide to rant about apple not doing what they want… yet we only see these posts from apple users that talk like there is no alternative.

Windows OS is bad for a tablet compared to iPadOS. iPadOS is bad as a laptop compared to Windows. Nobody yet has been able to fully square the two different paradigms.

ChromeOS balances the different paradigms reasonably well with Crostini and the ability to run Linux-based applications with native hardware virtualization. Solves for every power-user case you can't get from Android or the browser.

Re: Apple has locked me in the same cage Microsoft's built for Windows 10 users

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Post by amelius »

ForHackernews wrote: post #80
NoPicklez wrote: post #73

I don't understand these articles, they've stumbled upon what many of us have known which is that the iPad just doesn't feel the same as a Macbook laptop. The iPad just doesn't suit what they need, some people it does suit them better, others not. They could've just gone back to the Macbook and left the iPad for others, but felt the need for an article. I was telling people back in 2012 that whilst the iPad is a shin…

>they're not designed to work that way. It would be more accurate to say that they are designed not to work that way. In modern times, every limited-purpose internet-connected gadget is actually a general-purpose computer that has been deliberately crippled. The reason you can't run arbitrary software on "your" iPad is because they have locked it down so Apple owns the hardware, not you.

Yes, the iPad is a vending machine, owned and run by Apple, but paid for by you, the customer.

Re: Apple has locked me in the same cage Microsoft's built for Windows 10 users

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Post by frosting1337 »

threeseed wrote: post #77
frosting1337 wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean the author explains his thoughts in the article, you should read it again.

I read it and don't understand it at all. He's bought something whose limitations and target demographic are well known. And then complaining when he hits one of those limitations.

He's complaining because Apple of the year have started to blur the line between a personal computer and a device that you can personally compute on.
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