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Kagi Is Bringing Orion Web Browser to Linux

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Re: Kagi Is Bringing Orion Web Browser to Linux

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Post by colonial »

brightball wrote: post #60
Mossy9 wrote: post #7

I've been loving Kagi search and am really looking forward to Orion being available outside Apple land. You can join the email list here: https://kagi.com/changelog#6479 I'm a bit worried that Kagi might be over-extending here. Instead of focusing and capitalizing on search, they're expanding to the difficult business of browsers. I'm always hesitant when companies try to do everything everywhere all at once, since t…

My guess is that they realize the opportunity created by Mozilla’s sudden change in privacy terms.

I think this is correct. I refuse to touch Chromium with a ten-foot pole, but there aren't really any other options on Linux. (Yes, there is LibreWolf and other forks, but I doubt any have the resources to "go it alone" should Mozilla fold or go completely turncoat.)

The closest extant option is something like GNOME Web (also based on WebKit like Orion) but the lack of extension support and poor performance makes it a non-starter.

As someone who already pays for Kagi search, Orion will definitely be on my radar. I'll gladly volunteer $5/mo if I can just copy-paste my extensions unchanged and keep browsing.

Re: Kagi Is Bringing Orion Web Browser to Linux

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Post by lurk2 »

jmbwell wrote: post #53
Mossy9 wrote: post #7

I've been loving Kagi search and am really looking forward to Orion being available outside Apple land. You can join the email list here: https://kagi.com/changelog#6479 I'm a bit worried that Kagi might be over-extending here. Instead of focusing and capitalizing on search, they're expanding to the difficult business of browsers. I'm always hesitant when companies try to do everything everywhere all at once, since t…

Trying to use Kagi with other browsers lays bare the depth of collusion between browser makers and search providers. Getting out from under all that makes Kagi a whole lot more seamless and useful. It’s ironic that it is its own tight collusion, with the difference that you can use Orion just as well with any other search providers as with Kagi. So yeah, it seems like a departure from search, until you consider that…

> (privacy, neutrality, etc)

It's proprietary. There's no way of knowing that it's private.

Re: Kagi Is Bringing Orion Web Browser to Linux

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Post by init2null »

CodeCompost wrote: post #42

Kagi is cool and all but... I'm in Europe. I'm busy disengaging from US based services. Any good EU alternatives?

Fair enough, but I want the best possible searches. So that means Kagi, which includes Google, Bing, Brave, Yandex, and its own small web indexer. Pure European search is just unrealistic right now. Not unless you prefer the Eastern European flavor of Yandex alone.

Re: Kagi Is Bringing Orion Web Browser to Linux

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Post by radicality »

i_love_retros wrote: post #69
galleywest200 wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems that a lot of them are sort of "off" by default to keep search focused on search. If you want to get an LLM summary of a search, for example, end the search with a question mark. Example: "what is gravity?" instead of "what is gravity". The summarizer lives at a different page, here: https://kagi.com/summarizer/

Can also click the quick answer link on existing search results page. And each search result item had a menu that includes an option to summarize the page.

I use that super often, probably in vast majority of searches. It's basically an llm synthesized version of the results. You can also get it by the shortcut `q` on the results page, or by ending your query with a `?`

Re: Kagi Is Bringing Orion Web Browser to Linux

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Post by lurk2 »

frizlab wrote: post #58
poetril wrote: post #8

Kagi has been one of the biggest value adds to my online life in a long time. Paying for the Kagi ultimate plans gets me access to the latest LLM models, and an incredible customizable search engine with a large focus on privacy. The Orion browser has been my favorite to use on iOS, I’m not sure if I’d use the desktop version because of its web kit base. But I’m glad to see it’s moving forward.

Using a non-chromium browser is actually the only thing we can do nowadays to promote an open web. Also I have next to no issues using webkit on the web currently. It’s a good engine now.

> Using a non-chromium browser is actually the only thing we can do nowadays to promote an open web.

Orion is closed source.

Re: Kagi Is Bringing Orion Web Browser to Linux

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Post by lurk2 »

superkuh wrote: post #2

I tried out paid kagi for a 3 months (even if you pay in bitcoin they still require your address). One thing you might want to know before going in is that Kagi does not return many search results. It never returns more than two short pages of results (~100). It is impossible to use Kagi like you'd use a search engine from 1995-2015 to 'surf' the web and find things by accident. That said, google only ever returns I…

Even when Google was good I can't really recall ever browsing beyond 100 results unless I was looking for a post in a forum, so I don't know that this is really a knock against them given that their value proposition is that you pay them and they don't collect your data. I do find it surprising that so many people in this thread seem to be excited about Orion; I'm not interested in using anything proprietary to browse the web.

Re: Kagi Is Bringing Orion Web Browser to Linux

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Post by pyrophane »

lurk2 wrote: post #85
frizlab wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Using a non-chromium browser is actually the only thing we can do nowadays to promote an open web. Also I have next to no issues using webkit on the web currently. It’s a good engine now.

> Using a non-chromium browser is actually the only thing we can do nowadays to promote an open web. Orion is closed source.

I believe the above is just referring to diversity of engines. If 99% of everyone uses Chromium then there’s no incentive to support open standards that work across all browsers.

Re: Kagi Is Bringing Orion Web Browser to Linux

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Post by CGamesPlay »

konart wrote: post #33

Kagi is still buggy as hell for me though. Text selection jumps all around even on hacker news (I say even because HN is pretty has pretty simple html\css\etc). Any web site with non-english letters and complex layot kills it.

I assume you mean Orion. Does that still happen if you enable compatibility mode? I don't have the same problem, but I've reported several problems on the feedback forum and had some luck with getting them resolved.

Re: Kagi Is Bringing Orion Web Browser to Linux

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Post by BrawnyBadger53 »

stevage wrote: post #49

I use Orion a bit on Mac. The blocker for me is that it doesn't support Ublock Origin. They claim that their built in ad blocking does 90% of what you need, but I really just want to be able to remove page elements at will.

I'm using Orion with ublock origin right now?

Re: Kagi Is Bringing Orion Web Browser to Linux

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Post by Phelinofist »

alchemist1e9 wrote: post #74
upcoming-sesame wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because the recent trade war has started a trend of "buy European' across the continent buy-european-made.eu

Before these trade war escalations the US imposed an average tariff rate of about 3.5% on EU goods, notably lower than the EU’s 5.2% on US goods, and lacked the high, sector-specific tariffs seen in the EU. While the US maintained a relatively uniform rate, 2.5% on cars and slightly higher on food and chemicals—the EU targeted certain US sectors with very steep tariffs, like 32.3% on dairy. We should also mention VAT…

Do you understand that stuff made in Europe and sold in Europe is also subject to the VAT?
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