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The DOJ still wants Google to sell off Chrome

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Re: The DOJ still wants Google to sell off Chrome

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Post by tslocum »

rany_ wrote: post #69
jherdman wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is this really true? Something that can be supported by clear evidence? I’ve seen this trotted out many times, but it seems like there are interesting Apache projects: https://airflow.apache.org/ https://iceberg.apache.org/ https://kafka.apache.org/ https://superset.apache.org/

https://openoffice.apache.org/ is the context in which I've seen this saying get regurgitated the most.

I wrote about the situation with Apache Open Office here:

https://rocket9labs.com/post/its-time-to-let-go-apache-softw...

Re: The DOJ still wants Google to sell off Chrome

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Post by calcifer »

ttoinou wrote: post #78
Springtime wrote: post #8

Regardless of what happens to Chrome per se it's who is involved with pushing for major controversial changes in Chromium that matters. Manifest v3 and Web Integrity API are prominent examples of Google's team shaping how all Chromium based browsers will be, regardless of pushback (though they relented with the latter for now).

Can’t any motivated group of developers fork chromium and push their own agenda ?

That's not relevant. Chrome has the most market share, so its decisions become de facto standards. What happens in some fork by a 2 men crew doesn't matter.

Re: The DOJ still wants Google to sell off Chrome

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Post by rad_gruchalski »

southernplaces7 wrote: post #59
nickthegreek wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Safari and Firefox are capable web browsers. Where do people get this outlandish take from?

Can't speak for Safari, but Firefox has never been anything but a dumpster fire for me. Constant reminders about updates and a UI that slows my computer to a crawl no matter what I do. Yes, I open many tabs and don't use a turbocharged laptop, but the same applies to my Chrome use with next to no problems, so really, fuck you Firefox for not adjusting after decades, as per possible user needs. Chrome seems to manage…

Either you need to service your computer or configure your Firefox.

I went back to Firefox about 5 years ago and not even once missed Chrome since.

Re: The DOJ still wants Google to sell off Chrome

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Post by blibble »

sneak wrote: post #74
3vidence wrote: post #70

(Googler opinions are my own, don't work on chrome) Chrome has just been a better product for the last 10 to 15 years. Every other company has just failed to make a good browser because they lack the incentives to do so (have gone back and forth as a Firefox user). The only competitive browsers are those already built on chrome or safari. I'm not personally a big fan of Safari but it's bigger issue is that it is only…

I’m confused, as a firefox daily driver, why is firefox not a good browser? Or are we discounting it because it is funded by Google?

because it can be used to effectively block Google ads and tracking

Re: The DOJ still wants Google to sell off Chrome

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Post by rad_gruchalski »

3vidence wrote: post #70

(Googler opinions are my own, don't work on chrome) Chrome has just been a better product for the last 10 to 15 years. Every other company has just failed to make a good browser because they lack the incentives to do so (have gone back and forth as a Firefox user). The only competitive browsers are those already built on chrome or safari. I'm not personally a big fan of Safari but it's bigger issue is that it is only…

Your employer is constantly adding non-standard shit to their browser so instead of making competitive browsers others have to either burn cycles on demolishing that bs, or catch up with you. You want an example? That command and commandFor bs from a couple of days ago.

Re: The DOJ still wants Google to sell off Chrome

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sneak wrote: post #74
3vidence wrote: post #70

(Googler opinions are my own, don't work on chrome) Chrome has just been a better product for the last 10 to 15 years. Every other company has just failed to make a good browser because they lack the incentives to do so (have gone back and forth as a Firefox user). The only competitive browsers are those already built on chrome or safari. I'm not personally a big fan of Safari but it's bigger issue is that it is only…

I’m confused, as a firefox daily driver, why is firefox not a good browser? Or are we discounting it because it is funded by Google?

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Re: The DOJ still wants Google to sell off Chrome

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Post by hinkley »

qwerty456127 wrote: post #84

> The Justice Department also kept a Biden-era proposal that seeks to ban Google from paying companies like Apple, other smartphone manufacturers and Mozilla to make its search engine the default on their phones and browsers. RIP Firefox?

Ah fuck.

Welp. They had a chance to be default alive and they fucked it by trying to spend the money on new initiatives instead of just spending the interest payments from an endowment.

Re: The DOJ still wants Google to sell off Chrome

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Post by derkster »

sneak wrote: post #74
3vidence wrote: post #70

(Googler opinions are my own, don't work on chrome) Chrome has just been a better product for the last 10 to 15 years. Every other company has just failed to make a good browser because they lack the incentives to do so (have gone back and forth as a Firefox user). The only competitive browsers are those already built on chrome or safari. I'm not personally a big fan of Safari but it's bigger issue is that it is only…

I’m confused, as a firefox daily driver, why is firefox not a good browser? Or are we discounting it because it is funded by Google?

I'm with you. Every time one of these arguments come up, people talk about how Chrome is superior. I've used Firefox daily for minimum five years as a daily driver, and it's been atleast 3 years since I've had to install Chrome because some website specified that it NEEDED a Chromium based browser for something specific, I believe it was a Firmware Upgrade over USB - through the browser. I split my time between Windows and Linux equally, and Firefox is the daily driver on both.

Can someone in this thread who have swapped between Firefox/Chrome explain the problems they run into ultimately driving them back to Chrome?

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