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Re: Automatically tagging politician when they use their phone on the livestreams

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Post by ToucanLoucan »

nzach wrote: post #72
tpoacher wrote: post #50

This is beyond silly. You could be using your phone to factcheck something that relates to the ongoing discussion. Or having a side-chat with another member, privately expressing/requesting an opinion to provide context. Or to take quick notes. Or, nowadays, you might even be using an AI to keep a running summary of what the speaker has been rambling about in the last 50 minutes, translated from 'buzzspeak' to 'human…

I agree with you, but this doesn't mean this data is useless. You could could count how many people are using their phones by speaker. "When Alice speaks 18% of the members use their phones for more than 15 minutes, but when Bob speaks the rate is 27%." could be a proxy to understand how important the parliament thinks the subject/speaker is.

The notion that you must have your phone away and be giving all your attention to a speaker is so antiquated and worthless.

I have issues with auditory processing and attention. If you deliver information to me verbally in a format where I cannot rewind/playback, have no subtitles or text to consume alongside it, and demand my full attention, I will have objectively worse reception of whatever information you're communicating. The way neurotypicals demand adherence to these, to be blunt, ceremonies of conveyance is tiresome and interferes with the goals they espouse of communication.

In fact I would go so far as to say a lot of the time, the goal is not communication at all; it is a demonstration of one's power and authority over others. If your goal is actually communication, text is better in every way. Every reader can read at a speed of their choosing, re-read parts they missed, have a speech-to-text program read it to them if they like, stop in the middle and tend to something time sensitive, what have you. A live speech allows none of this.

So yes, I probably use my phone while you're talking. I probably have my AirPods in too, because the settings where they remove background noise and just give me the person speaking are phenomenally useful. I might even be watching or having my phone transcribe what you're saying, too. And if you're going to try and chastise me for it, fine, that's your prerogative, but then I'm probably starting a job search for a place that will appreciate my skills and not demean me for not being able to perform "good worker vibes" to your arbitrary standards.

Re: Automatically tagging politician when they use their phone on the livestreams

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Post by theultdev »

unreal37 wrote: post #75
smallpipe wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These people are elected and paid more than enough to pay attention. If they can’t be bothered doing their job, we’ll elect someone else who can.

You don't know if they're doing their job from a photo. Perhaps they're replying to constituents, reading the details of the law they are being asked to vote on, checking with colleagues on the status of votes, etc. You don't know. It's just harassment without facts.

Well they can do that with paper.

They should have the details of the law printed out in front of them.

Scrolling through on a phone seems very limited.

They can write down notes and they can reply to constituents after they vote.

Re: Automatically tagging politician when they use their phone on the livestreams

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Post by quuxplusone »

"37% legislative efficiency? That's bad! Let me call my supervisor."

"Hey @JanJambon, what's going on, man? You're in red!"

"It's just been a rough day."

"Rough day? More like a rough month."

(the reference: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43180133 )

Re: Automatically tagging politician when they use their phone on the livestreams

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Post by blitzar »

tpoacher wrote: post #50

This is beyond silly. You could be using your phone to factcheck something that relates to the ongoing discussion. Or having a side-chat with another member, privately expressing/requesting an opinion to provide context. Or to take quick notes. Or, nowadays, you might even be using an AI to keep a running summary of what the speaker has been rambling about in the last 50 minutes, translated from 'buzzspeak' to 'human…

This is beyond silly.

You could be using your phone to to find a hooker for tonight. A legit uses of technology. Normally they use their iPads for that though.

Re: Automatically tagging politician when they use their phone on the livestreams

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Post by itishappy »

sergers wrote: post #20
netsharc wrote: post #4

He (oh he is you, OP) has got a lot of different projects, including one that was tracking people on EarthCam streams and trying to find their Instagram post (or the other way around): https://driesdepoorter.be/thefollower/ , which went sort of viral: https://mashable.com/article/instagram-stalking-ai-facial-re... I wonder why you self-promote and repost your "old" stuff though..

Yea kind of odd when the last post by which the submission about is from 2022 when it appears to be last active. If there was some update, revelation, or even just being active. I am seeing this person being referred as an "artist". Thinking its a ploy for sales... they arent really selling anything i would consider valuable or sellable (eye of the beholder?).

I suspect you may just not value artists or art because your comment is quite dismissive. There are artists putting significantly less effort into their creations than this who sell them for significantly more. This particular exhibit isn't even for sale.

Re: Automatically tagging politician when they use their phone on the livestreams

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Post by kelvinjps10 »

ToucanLoucan wrote: post #81
nzach wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with you, but this doesn't mean this data is useless. You could could count how many people are using their phones by speaker. "When Alice speaks 18% of the members use their phones for more than 15 minutes, but when Bob speaks the rate is 27%." could be a proxy to understand how important the parliament thinks the subject/speaker is.

The notion that you must have your phone away and be giving all your attention to a speaker is so antiquated and worthless. I have issues with auditory processing and attention. If you deliver information to me verbally in a format where I cannot rewind/playback, have no subtitles or text to consume alongside it, and demand my full attention, I will have objectively worse reception of whatever information you're comm…

Being able to focus in a speech it's not arbitrary at all.

Re: Automatically tagging politician when they use their phone on the livestreams

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Post by HenryBemis »

potato3732842 wrote: post #57
tpoacher wrote: post #50

This is beyond silly. You could be using your phone to factcheck something that relates to the ongoing discussion. Or having a side-chat with another member, privately expressing/requesting an opinion to provide context. Or to take quick notes. Or, nowadays, you might even be using an AI to keep a running summary of what the speaker has been rambling about in the last 50 minutes, translated from 'buzzspeak' to 'human…

Even if they're not paying attention it's likely a "this issue is not a me issue, I'm gonna re-read my notes or the summary memo for the next me issue" situation. People don't generally slack of when a legislative body has a hearing. That's basically their "game day".

Angry Birds high scores won't outscore themselves!!

Re: Automatically tagging politician when they use their phone on the livestreams

#89

Post by duxup »

quuxplusone wrote: post #84

"37% legislative efficiency? That's bad! Let me call my supervisor." "Hey @JanJambon, what's going on, man? You're in red!" "It's just been a rough day." "Rough day? More like a rough month." (the reference: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43180133 )

I agree, this whole system has the vibe of messed up metrics and jerk middle manager going on.

Re: Automatically tagging politician when they use their phone on the livestreams

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Post by lupusreal »

baumschubser wrote: post #64
tpoacher wrote: post #50

This is beyond silly. You could be using your phone to factcheck something that relates to the ongoing discussion. Or having a side-chat with another member, privately expressing/requesting an opinion to provide context. Or to take quick notes. Or, nowadays, you might even be using an AI to keep a running summary of what the speaker has been rambling about in the last 50 minutes, translated from 'buzzspeak' to 'human…

Angela Merkel was known to text during parliamentary sessions, sometimes with multiple phones, with colleagues about the ongoing debate. Other anecdota: Nowadays it is only part of Green Party folklore from the past, but to knit in political sessions was a common sight. What is not so silly but just stupid is conservative delegates watching football during a sex work debate (2018, https://twitter.com/BoehmeMarco/stat…

> sometimes with multiple phones

Reminds me of movies where le epic haxxor starts typing on two keyboards at once.

Anyway, if everybody's vote is a foregone conclusion and the debate is only for the sake of the process, I can't find fault with people getting bored and tuning out.

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