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Exploring the Paramilitary Leaks

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Re: Exploring the Paramilitary Leaks

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Post by kcatskcolbdi »

dmos62 wrote: post #78
rightbyte wrote: post #71

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> to call Azov an extremist group, [...], that is plain disturbed. Really? "Extremist brigade" then? Their isnignia is the one of 2.nd SS division Deutschland, cleverly mirrored. They were on the US sanction list.

Their insignia has the germanic wolf that is clearly meant to resonate with WW2 german, Nazi military symbolism. In its early days they had leaders that were overt Neonazis. No one is denying that, and I have no love for the far-right. But, what extreme acts of injustice have they committed? Have they been less than adamant defenders of their home, from an invasion with genocidal, maximalist goals, of all things? The…

Maybe I'm the crazy one, but I personally consider any group that worships nazis to be an extremist group. If they were in the US and hadn't done any kind of "extremist act" I would feel the same way.

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Post by SkinlessGod »

pc86 wrote: post #8
bawolff wrote: post #7

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> > This is much more readable – but still, I don't think I can bring myself to sit down and read 77 pages of these messages right now. And that's just this one export of this one Telegram channel. 77 pages isn't that much in the scheme of thing. A court case having 77 pages of evidence would be entirely normal.

And let's be honest 77 pages of telegram chats would probably take 15 or 20 minutes to read. It's not exactly Proust.

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Post by pc86 »

mjfl wrote: post #24
idiotsecant wrote: post #22

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What domestic crackdown are you talking about, specifically?

The crackdown on Trump supporters after his 2016 election. https://archive.ph/uJR8h

Replying here since your other comment is flagged (IMO only because of the profanity, so if you want more people to see your comments maybe learn how to form an argument without it):

> It's not my job to educate you.

This is a common tactic of both the left and the right when they are faced with evidence that goes contrary to a (typically pretty tenuous) claim they're making. "Well I've given you a single source that exactly fits my worldview so now if you disagree you're simply uneducated, not disagreeing on the merits. It's impossible that the source I gave is absolute garbage."

It is your job to educate people when you're making a claim that goes against common sense. As far as I am aware there was absolutely no "crackdown" on Trump supporters in any organized fashion ever between his first election and when I woke up this morning. You're free to think otherwise, you might even be right, but if you want people to agree with you you better be prepared to convince them. And I could be wrong but I don't think calling them "fucking retards" is going to do it.

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

noneeeed wrote: post #56
lurk2 wrote: post #38

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Both organizations have had reputations for being honeypots as early as 2016. There have been a number of instances of federal agents becoming embedded in the organizational structures of groups like this (see e.g. the Malheur Wildlife Standoff and the plot to assassinate Gretchen Whitmer). Groups of this scale tend to fall into one of three categories: 1) They are honeypots set up by policing and / or intelligence a…

I've been struck by how often it is really quite senior people within criminal/terrorist organisations are the ones that get turned by the various agencies. In the UK, there was an informant for MI5 in the IRA for years codenamed Steaknife. It turned out he was the head of IRA internal security, it was his job to hunt moles. He was the perfect agent. I seem to remember a story of a mafia don who turned out to be an i…

If you get enough on them that you could probably prosecute them successfully, then you have enough on them to try to turn them. And if they're the only one at that level that you have enough on, rather than make one prosecution, it may be better to turn them.

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Post by dmos62 »

kcatskcolbdi wrote: post #81
dmos62 wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Their insignia has the germanic wolf that is clearly meant to resonate with WW2 german, Nazi military symbolism. In its early days they had leaders that were overt Neonazis. No one is denying that, and I have no love for the far-right. But, what extreme acts of injustice have they committed? Have they been less than adamant defenders of their home, from an invasion with genocidal, maximalist goals, of all things? The…

Maybe I'm the crazy one, but I personally consider any group that worships nazis to be an extremist group. If they were in the US and hadn't done any kind of "extremist act" I would feel the same way.

From what I've heard in interviews with fighters from other units (Lindybeige ones come to mind), which is hearsay I grant you, they're not Nazis, much less worshippers of Nazis. A few bad apples, or some such.
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