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why make this- because people like music? I want to use it to make my own music, according to you, I can't because it deprives some /real/ musician of making money? what an insane argument- ban singing unless you're in a choir?
DiffRhythm: Fast End-to-End Full-Length Song Generation with Latent Diffusion
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Re: DiffRhythm: Fast End-to-End Full-Length Song Generation with Latent Diffusion
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In this particular case it is totally black and white. Prove me wrong. Tell me one example how music gen in any way benefits anybody to the level that is worth putting out of business the last few artists that make ends meet?
The difference between today and the hypothetical case of not one artist making ends meet from their music is what, 0.1%? 0.01%? We would be better off if the other 99.9% didn't have worry about making ends meet, than if we do whatever it takes to keep the status quo of the 0.1% intact. That does not only go for artists.
If you know anything about music industry- you know its not a hypothetical case but reality.
Check how many ai songs are uploaded daily to spotify and any other platform.
And show me a few of those artists that hate making music and welcome ai.
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#83Earlier quoted context omitted.
And with more affordable and easier-to-learn tools, the creation of music will be similarly made much more accessible? DAWs and virtual instruments running on regular laptop was one step, generative AI models will be another?
You're debating two different things, two different experiences Creation is a human activity, charged with emotions, efforts, which are their own rewards, as much as the end-product, which is invested of this human (sometimes collective and not instant) effort and intention and creative loopbacks. Let's call that some kind of history (because the process did happen). Generation short-circuits that entirely, as it hap…
I agree with your overall description of creation. But I do not agree that generative models are something else entirely. They are tools, and while their affordances do influence what people do with it, in the end the responsibility is on the creator. You can make "soulless shit" or "thoughtful commentary" or anything else you put your mind to, by using these tools in combination with all the existing ones.
Models that are oriented around one-shot, text-only direction are pretty limiting in creative flow. This will hopefully continue to improve.
Re: DiffRhythm: Fast End-to-End Full-Length Song Generation with Latent Diffusion
#84Earlier quoted context omitted.
And with more affordable and easier-to-learn tools, the creation of music will be similarly made much more accessible? DAWs and virtual instruments running on regular laptop was one step, generative AI models will be another?
The tools and knowledge for making music are already unbelievably accessible. Anyone with an internet connection and a decent computer can read about music theory, learn to use a DAW, and get some basic virtual instruments. The same goes for producing art, which doesn't even require anything digital. This does not augment the music making process in any way, it simply replaces it with what might as well be a gacha ga…
Sure, with several hundred hours to spare one can make some songs in a DAW. Now one can make something as good/bad in maybe 1/10x the time. Or, given the same time investment, one can possibly make something better!
Re: DiffRhythm: Fast End-to-End Full-Length Song Generation with Latent Diffusion
#85Earlier quoted context omitted.
because copyright? these AI tools are great for adding a music to your YT video w/o worrying about violating copyright.
There's already a huge library of royalty free music available and even just AIing some music up doesn't fully protect you from strikes if it hallucinates something close enough to an existing song.
but these AI tools let you customize the music according to your needs.
Re: DiffRhythm: Fast End-to-End Full-Length Song Generation with Latent Diffusion
#86Cool. Obviously needs some work. Lots of artifacts. Something to build on though. Lots of sour grapes comments from folks. Too bad. Not what I expect out of Hacker News. Glad people are pushing the technological envelope and exploring this space despite the strong negative emotions.
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It's fine that you don't like it. It's odd that it's such a popular opinion on a site frequented by "hackers" and "disruptors". Why is this opinion more prevalent on posts for synthetic music generation and not other synthetic output? Why does synthetic music generation stop you from making music the old way? Are you upset that a business model that is already dead will be pushed further into irrelevance?
Re: DiffRhythm: Fast End-to-End Full-Length Song Generation with Latent Diffusion
#87Earlier quoted context omitted.
There's already a huge library of royalty free music available and even just AIing some music up doesn't fully protect you from strikes if it hallucinates something close enough to an existing song.
but these AI tools let you customize the music according to your needs.
How much direction can you actually give them?
Doesn't seem like much you could actually tweak beyond the short style queue and lyrics. To really be customizable you'd need a method to tweak the generation to inform the tone, inflection, and flow of the music at any given point to satisfy what you wanted to pair it with.
Songs have lulls and swells to go with the tone and emotion you're trying to create/communicate these are just strings of lyrics over boring barely connecting backing tracks.
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#88Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's why corporations that have made creative products have traditionally never gone anywhere. They all just went out of business. And all the artists got rich.
?? How do you think what you say follows from what I said?
You don’t understand how the ‘bonkers’ cost of creative worker relates to businesses that make creative products?
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#89Earlier quoted context omitted.
?? How do you think what you say follows from what I said?
You don’t understand how the ‘bonkers’ cost of creative worker relates to businesses that make creative products?
No, I only understand that you're doing your best to be hostile and strawman me. So please, do kindly explain.
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Business doesn’t hate creatives, and is not specifically targeting creatives to automate them away. Any job that can be done as good for a lower price or better for the same price is going to be a target.
And let's be honest, the reason it can be done for a lower price is because the public doesn't have taste.
The stage has been set with the mass proliferation "lofi" and "chill" music that has been all but AI automated.