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Re: Public health data disappeared. RestoredCDC.org is bringing it back

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Post by int_19h »

buckle8017 wrote: post #64
beowulfey wrote: post #49

For those wondering why this exists: many of the pages that were formerly listed on the CDC website have been disappearing, likely in response to recent executive orders, though this has not been made explicit. As an example, I checked the Women's Health page and noticed a lot of removals -- the pages on menstrual health and hygiene ([1] vs [2]), or the page summarizing health disease statistics in women ([3] vs [4])…

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Given that people are being fired left and right on laughable pretexts, I can't blame the people tasked with implementing these executive orders for erring on the side of "what the boss probably wants". Especially when the boss is very loud about what he wants.

Re: Public health data disappeared. RestoredCDC.org is bringing it back

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Post by girvo »

jquery wrote: post #71
trhway wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> to destroy confidence in federal government not only domestic unfortunately. For 3 years Russian trolls were posting everywhere that US will abandon Ukraine like it happened with Afghanistan and Iraq, and today Trump stopped all the military aid to Ukraine, even the stuff that was already in Poland moving toward the Ukrainian border.

Is Trump even allowed to do that? Didn't he get impeached for basically the same thing in his last term?

No one is going to stop him, and everyone keeps complying, so yes he is allowed to do that.

Re: Public health data disappeared. RestoredCDC.org is bringing it back

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Post by int_19h »

jquery wrote: post #71
trhway wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> to destroy confidence in federal government not only domestic unfortunately. For 3 years Russian trolls were posting everywhere that US will abandon Ukraine like it happened with Afghanistan and Iraq, and today Trump stopped all the military aid to Ukraine, even the stuff that was already in Poland moving toward the Ukrainian border.

Is Trump even allowed to do that? Didn't he get impeached for basically the same thing in his last term?

He got impeached for withholding military aid to force the Ukrainian government to investigate his political opponent, but that's not a factor in this case.

Broadly speaking, Trump claims that he has the power to tell any executive agency to not do anything under the "unitary executive" theory. Whether this holds or not is up to the courts to determine, but unless and until there is a stay, the executive agencies have to follow the EO.

Re: Public health data disappeared. RestoredCDC.org is bringing it back

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Post by UncleOxidant »

jquery wrote: post #71
trhway wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> to destroy confidence in federal government not only domestic unfortunately. For 3 years Russian trolls were posting everywhere that US will abandon Ukraine like it happened with Afghanistan and Iraq, and today Trump stopped all the military aid to Ukraine, even the stuff that was already in Poland moving toward the Ukrainian border.

Is Trump even allowed to do that? Didn't he get impeached for basically the same thing in his last term?

He knows this senate wouldn't come close to convicting. Heck, this house wouldn't even impeach.

Re: Public health data disappeared. RestoredCDC.org is bringing it back

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Post by int_19h »

rezonant wrote: post #70
gjsman-1000 wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The CDC lost credibility among conservatives in 2021; when they were insisting on masking for all, the 10 person gathering limit was in many states… but for better or worse, they refused to condemn, and downplayed, the health effects of the George Floyd protests happening simultaneously. This is retaliation against the CDC for implicitly saying you can protest racism in the streets, but cannot attend Thanksgiving wit…

The first amendment prevents the government from abridging the right for people to assemble and peacefully protest. Given that there's a public safety concern, one could argue there's nuance here, but you can hardly blame them for taking the safe route and avoiding violating our constitutional rights, and it's doubtful there was enough precedent for the CDC to feel comfortable taking the legal risk.

It might have been a 1A issue if CDC straight out prohibited the protests, but the baseline expectation was for people who introduced and/or supported the mask mandates to at least clearly say that such large gatherings should be avoided for the sake of containing COVID.

Instead, we've heard things like, “In this moment the public health risks of not protesting to demand an end to systemic racism greatly exceed the harms of the virus.”

(FWIW I'm pretty far left and I think that COVID restrictions broadly made sense. I also believe that the protests had valid causes and would be perfectly reasonable if not for that whole ongoing epidemic thing.)

Re: Public health data disappeared. RestoredCDC.org is bringing it back

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Post by trhway »

UncleOxidant wrote: post #84
jquery wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is Trump even allowed to do that? Didn't he get impeached for basically the same thing in his last term?

He knows this senate wouldn't come close to convicting. Heck, this house wouldn't even impeach.

Trump tomorrow is giving a speech in Congress and we can bet how loud - Very Loud, Very Very Loud or We Love You Ecstatically, Our King - he will be applauded to.

Re: Public health data disappeared. RestoredCDC.org is bringing it back

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Post by telchior »

cupcakecommons wrote: post #77
telchior wrote: post #62

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The blanket removal of all pages in the women's health category is certainly an interesting choice. I guess the next step after denying that there may be more than two genders is to ... deny that there's more than one? Or that gender exists at all? Equality at last! (for reference: https://www.cdc.gov/womens-health/mhh-continuing-education/i... )

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Honestly, no idea; but I'd certainly wonder why the question flipped from what pages were removed that shouldn't have been, to whether they got enough traffic to merit talking about at all. Maybe acknowledge the prior answer before moving the goalpost?

Re: Public health data disappeared. RestoredCDC.org is bringing it back

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Post by epistasis »

a_bonobo wrote: post #58
throwaway290 wrote: post #29

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I hate that many projects use Discord where anything else (IRC, Matrix, whatever) would work but in this case especially. Tencent owns an undisclosed share in Discord and just generally seems like a bad choice of communication platform if you want to look better than doge

Discord works by clicking a button - you get to signup, you fill in your email, bam you're on the Discord channel in your browser. Zero friction, nothing new to learn for the user. IRC on the other hand....

I have never had that experience with discord, despite already having an account. It's truly mysterious what the actual link --> my account has the discord path should be.

I find IRC much easier, but I haven't used it in about 15 years.

Re: Public health data disappeared. RestoredCDC.org is bringing it back

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Post by beowulfey »

buckle8017 wrote: post #64
beowulfey wrote: post #49

For those wondering why this exists: many of the pages that were formerly listed on the CDC website have been disappearing, likely in response to recent executive orders, though this has not been made explicit. As an example, I checked the Women's Health page and noticed a lot of removals -- the pages on menstrual health and hygiene ([1] vs [2]), or the page summarizing health disease statistics in women ([3] vs [4])…

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Do you work at the CDC? Can you share your sources for this?

We (the general public) know absolutely nothing about why these pages were removed. All we can say definitively is that they are gone.

And spit out baseless speculation too of course.

Re: Public health data disappeared. RestoredCDC.org is bringing it back

#90

Post by hedora »

jquery wrote: post #71
trhway wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> to destroy confidence in federal government not only domestic unfortunately. For 3 years Russian trolls were posting everywhere that US will abandon Ukraine like it happened with Afghanistan and Iraq, and today Trump stopped all the military aid to Ukraine, even the stuff that was already in Poland moving toward the Ukrainian border.

Is Trump even allowed to do that? Didn't he get impeached for basically the same thing in his last term?

If the democrats get enough votes in the house and senate, I imagine they’ll swiftly kick him and hopefully vance out.

For that to happen, the US economy will need to collapse (likely, given the tariffs, dismantling of governments, alienation of all trade partners, and multiple incoming pandemics, including measles, bird flu and ebola).

However, the US will have to be a democracy in 12-24 months, and all of Trump’s actions suggest he thinks that’s unlikely.

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