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Re: 2025 Hiring Pause

#81

Here is a 2024 article from the Stanford Daily: https://stanforddaily.com/2024/03/13/behind-stanfords-double... In 1996: 13,811 students, 1488 faculty, 5881 total staff. In 2024: 17,529 students, 2323 faculty, 16,527 total staff. In 28 years: 27% increase in students 56% increase in faculty 281% increase in total staff The ratio of staff to students is nearly 1:1 This is insane.

from the article you linked:

> Stanford also has unique characteristics that create high staff headcount, former Provost Persis Drell told the Faculty Senate during a May 2023 meeting: Unlike other institutions, Stanford requires more staff to maintain Stanford Research Park, a large housing portfolio and other facilities.

from one of the sources [0] that paragraph linked to:

> It’s also important to understand how Stanford defines terms used in headcount growth since those definitions vary widely among research universities, Drell noted. For example, clinician educators, which have grown significantly in number, are categorized as “staff” at Stanford, while at other universities they are often counted as “faculty.” In addition, and in contrast to many other institutions, Stanford has chosen to focus more on hiring staff in many areas rather than using outside contractors whose employees would not count as Stanford staff.

and from [1] also linked in the above paragraph:

> We recognize that stable, affordable housing is critical for student success. Stanford guarantees housing for undergraduates for all four years and provides housing for over 70% of graduate students. We also provide as much as three times more student housing than large universities across California in similarly constrained housing markets.

given the context, it seems perfectly reasonable that Stanford would have more "staff" employees than the University of Southwestern North Dakota, even normalized for different numbers of student enrollment.

0: https://news.stanford.edu/stories/2023/05/provost-provides-d...

1: https://housinginfo.stanford.edu/by-the-numbers

Re: 2025 Hiring Pause

#82
post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "The ratio of staff to students is nearly 1:1" > "This is insane." "This expansion is largely at the School of Medicine, where the yearly staff growth rate of 5.6% is significantly higher than the 1.7% rate across the rest of the University... School of Medicine spokesperson Courtney Lodato wrote that the increase largely includes clinical educators who teach and provide clinical care, financed by external research…

Still, 1:1? Please.

In the US, many Medical schools are schools only in the technical definition of schools. In reality they are more like research and medical centers that also do a bit of teaching on the side. Staff to students ratio could easily be in excess of 10:1

A little over a decade ago, I remember Dean of a top medical school I attended showing the budget of the medical school. Tuition was like 5% or of the entire med school revenue and budget. I remember raising my hand and asking the Dean if tuition was so little, why not just make it free. He gave me a death stare and just danced around the question.

Re: 2025 Hiring Pause

#83
post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Still, 1:1? Please.

In the US, many Medical schools are schools only in the technical definition of schools. In reality they are more like research and medical centers that also do a bit of teaching on the side. Staff to students ratio could easily be in excess of 10:1 A little over a decade ago, I remember Dean of a top medical school I attended showing the budget of the medical school. Tuition was like 5% or of the entire med school r…

How come the ratio was so much lower before? Could it be the (mostly useless) administrative positions?

Re: 2025 Hiring Pause

#84
From the article

> Together with all of American higher education, Cornell is entering a time of significant financial uncertainty

From Wikipedia

>As of 2024, Cornell University has an endowment of $10.7 billion

Re: 2025 Hiring Pause

#85
post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If anything in any country should be free, it should be education. It's called The Internet.

There's so much that you cannot learn from the Internet, but must practiced, coached, steered, etc. That needs fysical things to interact with. That need teams, colleagues, or other humans. People who think you can learn "everything" from the Internet have a very limited view of "everything". And could probably learn about the world by going out there ;)

I've learned a lot more from YouTube videos than anything else, and even without archive.org there's all the other shadow libraries I can get books from.

But sure, keep telling yourself that your overpriced "education" is worth anything in this era of truly massive information access.

Re: 2025 Hiring Pause

#86
post #56

Not going to lie, I felt the 2025 market would get worse but never thought to have "(potential) mass government layoff" on my bingo card. What are unemployed people even finding these days? Is everyone just giving in to the gig economy? Sadly my car is definitely on its last legs (probably saved by the pandemic) so I don't know how long it'd last if I did Doordash/Uber ------ On topic, it's a shame even an Ivy League…

It's all about the choices. Post secondary schools had easy money (student loans, grants, expanding endowments) and rapidly expanding enrollment for decades. It seems many schools thought that would continue, but we saw enrollment plateau and even decrease. Ivy schools have options - lower prestige to increase enrollment, or lean on prestige and endowments to raise prices. Other schools will likely cut staff/services…

> Ivy schools have options - lower prestige to increase enrollment, or lean on prestige and endowments to raise prices.

Ivies aren’t dependent on tuition at all. All have need-blind admissions and most offer full rides to anyone accepted who couldn’t pay otherwise. Penn just updated its income thresholds to provide guaranteed full tuition scholarships to families earning less than 200k a year and budgeted over $300m/year to cover it. These aren’t the box-top Us you’re looking for.

Re: 2025 Hiring Pause

#87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

there's perhaps something to be said for this argument: if you paid a lot of money for something you might be more motivated to use it wisely. Also I can now get on the Internet and research jet engines or kidney transplants, but unless someone makes me learn the whole curriculum around it and then tests me to check if I understand, it's not worth much.

and then tests me to check if I understand That's what interviews are for.

yeah, and also one's personal responsibility to make sure they are indeed learning and practicing.

implying i need to be dependent on a school to help me retain learning is a concept that is foreign to me. if i had that kind of dependency in my learning life, i'd be unemployed.

Re: 2025 Hiring Pause

#89

From the article > Together with all of American higher education, Cornell is entering a time of significant financial uncertainty From Wikipedia >As of 2024, Cornell University has an endowment of $10.7 billion

Check the top discussion for some perspective on what that really means. This barely covers two years of operation, funds have a lot of use restrictions by donors, and you can only spend cash once.

Re: 2025 Hiring Pause

#90
post #78
post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just for perspective, the annual research budget of a university I looked at the numbers for recently (not Cornell, but R1) would go through that in less than two decades, even if it were completely dedicated to research and nothing else.

You're assuming they won't make any money on licensing or investments. Which they most certainly will.

and you're assuming they invest like you do in your 401k or whatever. which they most certainly don't. some are more aggressive w.r.t. private markets investment but many focus on capital preservation and don't grow as much as you'd expect. FY24 Cornell's endowment returned something like 8%. this despite an S&P500 gain of, what, 23% ish.

institutions and allocators operate with a very different mindset versus individuals or hedgies.

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