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Re: GSA Eliminates 18F

#81

Amazing how the idea of being able to file tax returns online, without paying for a commercial service to do it, is considered far-left extremism in the US. You’d think that simplifying tax returns and reducing costs in the taxation system would be something the right could get behind?

The right wants everything related to taxes to be as difficult and painful as possible, in the hopes it will encourage the government to lower them.

Re: GSA Eliminates 18F

#82

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Rich people, because... you guessed it! Money. (Direct File doesn't directly affect them, but the push towards automated tax collection strikes at the heart of their games.)

> the push towards automated tax collection strikes at the heart of their games I don't think that's even it. The goal is to make taxes seem scary and complicated to the public, to build a consensus that taxes should be eliminated or simplified - which inevitably plays out in ways which will largely, if not entirely, benefit the wealthy. And in this light, the reason the wealthy are opposed to Direct File is obvious:…

Good point, that's definitely part of it.

Tax fraud is just top of mind because the other day I had to endure a smug rich asshole brag about it over dinner and I wasn't in a position to push back, so I'm venting a bit.

Re: GSA Eliminates 18F

#83
post #79

Amazing how the idea of being able to file tax returns online, without paying for a commercial service to do it, is considered far-left extremism in the US. You’d think that simplifying tax returns and reducing costs in the taxation system would be something the right could get behind?

The right in America does not believe in a federal government. Anything that helps a federal government exist is to be destroyed.

It absolutely believes in a federal government.

It just does not believe in a federal government that it is not in control of.

Re: GSA Eliminates 18F

#84
post #66

Bad result for America, as at least the two that I've been familiar with have both been dramatically better website implementations than much of the federal government. GSA, Digital Analytics Program: https://analytics.usa.gov/ Huge amounts of data about how government websites are used including: locations (cities, countries), languages, referral sources, media sources, devices, browsers, OS, website destination, an…

The goal is to make government as dysfunctional as possible (beside the part that enforces corruption [for your side]), so people want it to get smaller and smaller (except for the corrupt parts that benefit exclusively them), so that it costs less, so that they pay less taxes, so that they have even more money (that they don't need).

They definitely do not care if this "makes things worse". Often, it's intended.

Re: GSA Eliminates 18F

#85
post #27

TIL that in America, if you work on a free tax filing system you are considered by some to be part of the "far left".

Heaven forbid if the US catches up with the U.K. in the 1990s.

I read somewhere that the convolution of tax returns system is intentional as the right thinks that the federal government should collect as little tax as possible. Making people suffer to file their taxes aims to reduce the federals from levying more taxes without popular opposition.

Providing a free, digital service to collect taxes would then be considered a real threat.

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#86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Elon literally said they would be 'deleted' for being 'far left,' specifically for working on direct file. Yet, people still seem baffled by what's going on and refuse to accept the maliciousness behind his and Trump's actions. He came out against a public technology service! It's like Bill Gates being confused about USAID being dismantled and being willfully ignorant that the people dismantling it believe he's part…

There are things that I at least understand, but who is opposed to direct tax filing and … why?

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Re: GSA Eliminates 18F

#87

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They were a well-regarded, non-partisan tech team. What was possibly "unreliable" about them?

My main recollection of 18F and the USDS is that they expanded the number of identity logins on VA.gov from one to three during their tenure. During one of these transitions, I lost access to my account and had to go through a full re-validation process. When the VA added ID.me last year as 4th identity provider, and mandated its use by March 4th 2025, it felt like an admission that private-sector providers outperfor…

Login.gov is the default idp for the Social Security Administration, supports 200+ federal agencies for identity, and IRS was in the works to onboard Login.gov (to replace ID.me). They handle over 10 million monthly active users and 40 million monthly sign-ins across nearly 50 agencies and states. I would be interested in knowing why it could not serve as the sole idp for VA.gov, as there must be a reason, regardless of validity of that reason.

Appreciate the ground truth, this is enough for someone to dig further in VA from a journalism perspective.

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#88
The result of trickle down economics and neoliberalism to its core.

Elimination of these “non-critical” agencies are nothing but a drop in the bucket compared to military spending and amounts tax cuts for billionaire parasites.

Re: GSA Eliminates 18F

#89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's the tweet that prompted Elon's 'deleted' tweet: >18F, the far left government wide computer office that was recently taken over by allies of @elonmusk, is also the same agency that built Elizabeth Warren's "Direct File" tax program. >Direct File puts the government in charge of preparing peoples tax returns for them. https://nitter.poast.org/alx/status/1886415751528972515 ? Clearly, they think there is somethi…

First of all, it's the US Governments, and thus the citizens, Direct File tax program. Unless Elizabeth Warren personally wrote the code I don't think her brand deserves to be on it. Second, are we pretending it was a good system? "Direct File is now open and available in 25 participating states." Wow. Half the country! That's _almost_ useful. "You can't use Direct File if you had other types of income, such as gig e…

It's available in only 25 states because the other half decided not to participate. Just another maddening example in the long story of how the American system makes it very hard to Do Good Things for the average citizen.

Re: GSA Eliminates 18F

#90
post #66

Bad result for America, as at least the two that I've been familiar with have both been dramatically better website implementations than much of the federal government. GSA, Digital Analytics Program: https://analytics.usa.gov/ Huge amounts of data about how government websites are used including: locations (cities, countries), languages, referral sources, media sources, devices, browsers, OS, website destination, an…

The goal is to make government as dysfunctional as possible (beside the part that enforces corruption [for your side]), so people want it to get smaller and smaller (except for the corrupt parts that benefit exclusively them), so that it costs less, so that they pay less taxes, so that they have even more money (that they don't need). They definitely do not care if this "makes things worse". Often, it's intended.

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