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Re: Vibe Coding and the Future of Software Engineering

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Post by sergiotapia »

re-thc wrote: post #55
sergiotapia wrote: post #21

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One example: I had to send a report to a slack webhook, showing how many oban jobs were completed in the last 24 hours for specific uses cases based on oban job params. That's: sql query, slack webhook api docs reading, ecto query for oban jobs with complex para filtering, oban job to run cron, cron syntax. easily like a 2 hour job? it took me 5 minutes with AI. then we decided to send the slack alert at 7am EST inst…

> these gains are compounding. It's not really. You could have done the same using no code tools in a similar time. Question is, would you? It's alarming the amount of trust/praise that goes into "AI". > if you're an experienced engineer > it took me 5 minutes with AI You'd at least read the code and fix things up so it wouldn't be 5 minutes.

this is a cope my friend. adapt or die.

Re: Vibe Coding and the Future of Software Engineering

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Post by linsomniac »

AlwaysRock wrote: post #23
LPisGood wrote: post #17

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I recently tried this _exact_ same thing (except it was less of a meeting and more like a phone call) and I got stuck because it kept making up fake API endpoints OR I had to go manually login somewhere to get the API key.

When? I've found over the last 6 months or so there has been a drastic change in quality of results. I used to have a ton of hallucinations like that. It still happens, but it is significantly less common now. I also get better results when using a prompt window built into and ide than something detached like the openai website.

AFAICT, OpenAI o3-mini-high, a couple days ago completely hallucinated functionality within systemd homectl that would mount a home directory from another machine using sshfs. It certainly wasn't available on Ubuntu 24.04, but searching the Internet I can't find those options documented anywhere.

Though, I do agree that hallucinations have dropped dramatically.

Re: Vibe Coding and the Future of Software Engineering

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Post by apwell23 »

mohsen1 wrote: post #33

It's interesting to see a lot of senior folks are against this arguing that if you're working on a larger software project this falls apart. Two things can be argued against this: 1. Context sizes are going to grow. Gemini with 2M tokens is already doing amazing feats 2. We all agree that we should break bigger problems into smaller ones. So if you can isolate the problem into something that fits in a LLM context, no…

Do you have real life example of someone using AI to do task in a big project like linux kernel ?

All i see are toy examples. great you built tic-tac-toe with a prompt. now what?

Re: Vibe Coding and the Future of Software Engineering

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Post by cadamsdotcom »

If a “non coder” makes a project by vibe coding and learns to code as a side effect, great! One more coder. And it IS a great way to learn to code. If you want to know how to do something just ask for it and watch what was generated then ask why for anything you’re curious about. Can’t get much better as an education tool than that. Perfect for solo founders.

Alternatively if a “non coder” creates a project by vibe coding and it fails, maybe that failure happened faster with lower costs (especially their time, if it’s their own project) than if they’d had to go get financing, hire an offshore dev or two, and go back and forth for a few weeks or months.

Vibes are high on vibe coding.

Re: Vibe Coding and the Future of Software Engineering

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Post by AlwaysRock »

AdieuToLogic wrote: post #60
AlwaysRock wrote: post #24

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I was doing some file management last weekend and wanted a little script to remove any numbers at the start of a file name and any region values at the end. I also wanted to ensure any duplicate files were moved into a separate folder so i could remove them. I could have written that code. I'm sure there is a program that can do exactly that for me that I could have downloaded. But one prompt, a few tests to make sur…

> I was doing some file management last weekend and wanted a little script to remove any numbers at the start of a file name and any region values at the end. I also wanted to ensure any duplicate files were moved into a separate folder so i could remove them. > I could have written that code. Not knowing precisely your desired result, the benefit of going through the effort of writing a script is experienced gained…

I get your sentiment, but I work 40+ hours a week as a swe. I write plenty of code. I don't see how writing a loop with some conditionals and regex would be beneficial. It is something that is not difficult to do, but would take time. The destination, and getting there quickly, was the only goal I was looking for.

Re: Vibe Coding and the Future of Software Engineering

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Post by AlwaysRock »

linsomniac wrote: post #82
AlwaysRock wrote: post #23

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When? I've found over the last 6 months or so there has been a drastic change in quality of results. I used to have a ton of hallucinations like that. It still happens, but it is significantly less common now. I also get better results when using a prompt window built into and ide than something detached like the openai website.

AFAICT, OpenAI o3-mini-high, a couple days ago completely hallucinated functionality within systemd homectl that would mount a home directory from another machine using sshfs. It certainly wasn't available on Ubuntu 24.04, but searching the Internet I can't find those options documented anywhere. Though, I do agree that hallucinations have dropped dramatically.

I am not an expert in systemd homect but I have found that adding, "Show documentation for any methods or built in functions used" helps when I'm working on anything obscure or that is less likely to have a lot of publically availability code (that the LLM was likely to be trained on).

That helps a lot whenever I am working off something I know will likely exist but just needs to be pulled from a company's documentation.

Re: Vibe Coding and the Future of Software Engineering

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Post by AlwaysRock »

thwarted wrote: post #48
AlwaysRock wrote: post #24

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I was doing some file management last weekend and wanted a little script to remove any numbers at the start of a file name and any region values at the end. I also wanted to ensure any duplicate files were moved into a separate folder so i could remove them. I could have written that code. I'm sure there is a program that can do exactly that for me that I could have downloaded. But one prompt, a few tests to make sur…

There's probably a program in /usr/bin on your machine that does that.

I'm sure there is! What is the best way to find it? I'd likely google some type of query to find out if it exists and how I might use it.

Anything more than one query/line of text and one click is more than it would take to get a llm to write this.

Re: Vibe Coding and the Future of Software Engineering

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Post by CyberDildonics »

cadamsdotcom wrote: post #83

Vibe coding will eat software. Engineering - working to constraints, including user needs (ie Product Management) is forever.

This vague meaningless term that some blogger just made up based on how teenagers talk will "eat software" ?

Re: Vibe Coding and the Future of Software Engineering

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Post by namaria »

gngoo wrote: post #78
namaria wrote: post #77

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> Well, its sad, but I am likely replacing 3 people on their team. Are you capturing this value? Are you getting paid 4x as much as before? If you are not capturing this increase in the value of your work, who is? If you're not getting paid 4x as much as before, which I doubt you are, why are you doing this?

I am getting paid significantly more than a year ago, but definitely not 4x as much. However, I have a lot more free time than I did before. And this while working on my own side projects as well; which are slowly growing into ramen-profitability. There are also other things to factor in, like living in South East Asia at a low cost of living and billing US and EU standard rates. > why are you doing this? Because I l…

Not why you build software man, why are you taking 3 jobs and foregoing receiving 3 salaries.
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