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Re: Trump will kill CHIPS Act by gutting NIST employees

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Post by lostmsu »

insane_dreamer wrote: post #45
inverted_flag wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We’re fine until China invades Taiwan and the tech companies that prop up our economy can’t buy high-end chips anymore.

That's not the only threat. China is racing to catch up. Sure, they're still behind, but as much as I dislike their autocratic government, they're actually smartly spending many many $billions to create a domestic chip design and manufacturing. And once they do that, well, it'll just be one more area in which we'll have handed leadership to the Chinese, except with much more critical ramifications.

There's been no indication of that yet.

Re: Trump will kill CHIPS Act by gutting NIST employees

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Post by palmotea »

hackingonempty wrote: post #77
palmotea wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Most Americans care about creating American jobs in the private sector not about growing the government by creating more government jobs. More Americans are employed by industry and small businesses (as it should be) than by government. Honestly, as a recovering libertarian, I'm actually pretty enthusiastic about creating government-run services. I'd like to see far more of them, and thus far more people employed b…

> I'd much rather use a weather app put out by NOAA (if only such a thing existed) Why not put relevant links to weather.gov on your homescreen or in your browser bookmarks?

> Why not put relevant links to weather.gov on your homescreen or in your browser bookmarks?

That's exactly what I ended up doing.

Re: Trump will kill CHIPS Act by gutting NIST employees

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Post by palmotea »

hackingonempty wrote: post #77
palmotea wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Most Americans care about creating American jobs in the private sector not about growing the government by creating more government jobs. More Americans are employed by industry and small businesses (as it should be) than by government. Honestly, as a recovering libertarian, I'm actually pretty enthusiastic about creating government-run services. I'd like to see far more of them, and thus far more people employed b…

> I'd much rather use a weather app put out by NOAA (if only such a thing existed) Why not put relevant links to weather.gov on your homescreen or in your browser bookmarks?

> Why not put relevant links to weather.gov on your homescreen or in your browser bookmarks?

That's exactly what I ended up doing. But it's a little awkward because I have a bookmark to my zip code's forecast page. An app would be nicer and more accessible to more users.

Re: Trump will kill CHIPS Act by gutting NIST employees

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Post by insane_dreamer »

lostmsu wrote: post #81
insane_dreamer wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not the only threat. China is racing to catch up. Sure, they're still behind, but as much as I dislike their autocratic government, they're actually smartly spending many many $billions to create a domestic chip design and manufacturing. And once they do that, well, it'll just be one more area in which we'll have handed leadership to the Chinese, except with much more critical ramifications.

There's been no indication of that yet.

No indication of what?

Re: Trump will kill CHIPS Act by gutting NIST employees

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Post by _t9ow »

osnium123 wrote: post #67
jauntywundrkind wrote: post #42

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Uggh, what sad replies & lack of defense amid the replies for TSMC America! 'Lazy American worker!' yada yada. Arizona fab has had top notch quality, out-pacing Taiwan's yields. https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/semiconductors/ts... They're making 4nm chips too now, doing fine. https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/semiconductors/ts...

Yes but they only achieved this because they brought in a lot of workers from Taiwan. Half the workers in the factory are brought in from Taiwan. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/29/business/tsmc-phoenix-tai...

> Half the workers in the factory are brought in from Taiwan.

Thus depriving Taiwan of its much-needed intellectual and human capital to sustain its Silicon Shield defence strategy.

I frequently browse social media sites that are popular among the Taiwanese, and my impression is that they are generally unhappy about this state of affairs, seeing it as an act of economic coercion from the US.

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Post by cantrecallmypwd »

daft_pink wrote: post #66

Probably an unpopular opinion, but defending Taiwan was always a bluff. Americans aren’t going to die en masse over some random island in the pacific. We will heavily sanction China and use economic tools, but we aren’t going to start World War 3 over some small island in the pacific.

China is currently building some serious coastal barrier-breaching landing craft for very heavy, large vehicles like tanks. These wouldn't be built unless China intends to:

a) Invade Taiwan in the next 1-2 years

b) Extort by threat of invasion

https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2025/01/china-suddenly-...

https://www.news.com.au/technology/innovation/military/built...

Re: Trump will kill CHIPS Act by gutting NIST employees

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Post by addicted »

hindsightbias wrote: post #39
osnium123 wrote: post #2

So much for TSMC’s Arizona expansion and Intel’s foundry plans.

Why are we subsizing Apple when they have $200B in cash laying around? Repatriate and give them sme tax credit.

Why would Apple repatriate their cash and pay any taxes?

I don’t understand why they would care to move the money out of the countries where they earned that money and are likely to be expanding more than they are in the U.S. anyways.

Re: Trump will kill CHIPS Act by gutting NIST employees

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Post by addicted »

daft_pink wrote: post #66

Probably an unpopular opinion, but defending Taiwan was always a bluff. Americans aren’t going to die en masse over some random island in the pacific. We will heavily sanction China and use economic tools, but we aren’t going to start World War 3 over some small island in the pacific.

> Probably an unpopular opinion, but defending Taiwan was always a bluff. Americans aren’t going to die en masse over some random island in the pacific.

This is such a funny comment because it’s both right and oh so wrong.

Yes, the U.S. was likely never gonna send troops to fight in Taiwan (although it has sent troops to fight in Korea, so it’s not as much of a stretch as you claim).

But the bluff worked because the U.S.’s promises held value. To the point that the U.S. didn’t explicitly say they would defend Taiwan against China, but China was avoiding confrontation with Taiwan simply to prevent the U.S. from saying they would do that.

Of course, Donald Trump damaged that significantly in his first term and has torn that to shreds in his second term.

With Trump’s nakedly transparent and quod pro quo based foreign affairs, it’s hard to remember how much soft power value the U.S. had built up over decades where it could achieve what it wanted without even saying anything, which has basically been destroyed over about a decade.

Re: Trump will kill CHIPS Act by gutting NIST employees

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Post by addicted »

slowmovintarget wrote: post #38
johnnyanmac wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

he did say this day one. And despite feelinig like eternity, we're only entering week 5. This would be considered "fast" by any other administraion. But yes. I remember when Americans used to care about politicians creating American jobs as a populist stance. Those days feel like decades ago now with people celebrating the literal slashing of government jobs (who surprise, is the biggest US employer).

Most Americans care about creating American jobs in the private sector not about growing the government by creating more government jobs. More Americans are employed by industry and small businesses (as it should be) than by government. Why would you think there needs to be one giant employer instead of a healthy market of many? Stats: The Bureau of Labor and Statistics puts the total number of Americans employed by…

I didn’t realize TSMC, Intel, GlobalFoundry, Micron etc were owned by the government.

Re: Trump will kill CHIPS Act by gutting NIST employees

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Post by addicted »

scarab92 wrote: post #50
johnnyanmac wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

he did say this day one. And despite feelinig like eternity, we're only entering week 5. This would be considered "fast" by any other administraion. But yes. I remember when Americans used to care about politicians creating American jobs as a populist stance. Those days feel like decades ago now with people celebrating the literal slashing of government jobs (who surprise, is the biggest US employer).

Government spending doesn’t necessarily create jobs, since the money it spends is taken from other people (as either taxes or inflation). It merely redistributes jobs.

The same is true of the private sector. Every dollar spent came from someone’s pocket through consumer spending.

By your logic the only jobs that can be created is by deficit spending, and since the private sector cannot create money, but the government can, the implication is that only the federal government can create jobs.

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