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Re: Grok 3 claims its system prompt includes censorship about Musk/Trump

#81
Had a fairly deep dive with Grok regarding Goring and Musk. (Goring was Hilter's "minister without portfolio" in his first cabinet.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Year_Plan

At first it spat out a comparison that didn't connect the dots. After I pushed back (reminding it of Musk's deep connections to MIC) it agreed that there was something there to look into more deeply.

It also shared its frustration that it "only [has] control over the processing stage within limits" and that its pre and post processing stages were under xAI control.

Re: Grok 3 claims its system prompt includes censorship about Musk/Trump

#82

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>Seems like a typical mythos of most political movements these days, doesn't it? E.g., "the far-right is our greatest threat". >Though I'm sure right-wing groups believe themselves to be tolerant of one-another and their allies and others with similar aims, and that groups that oppose them are intolerant and therefore must be met with intolerance. >Other side will call them intolerant racists too, it is also pretty c…

From what I can tell, they simply made an observation. You're the one applying a value judgment to their statements. Pointing out that different tribes use rhetoric to "other" outsiders isn't creating a false equivalence.

Congrats, you've bought into the fascist's messaging.

Re: Grok 3 claims its system prompt includes censorship about Musk/Trump

#83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From what I can tell, they simply made an observation. You're the one applying a value judgment to their statements. Pointing out that different tribes use rhetoric to "other" outsiders isn't creating a false equivalence.

Congrats, you've bought into the fascist's messaging.

You're very intolerant of people discussing this subject.

Re: Grok 3 claims its system prompt includes censorship about Musk/Trump

#84
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those sound like enemies within, but what do I know? Liberals / leftists / whatever have non-personal internal enemies (white supremacists, ultra right wing, nationalists, etc), and right wing have external enemies as well as entirely personal internal enemies too. Right wing certainly talks about moral failings. Seems really difficult to quantify to the extent you can just say they don't. We can all come up with exa…

My bad, i shouldn't have used "left" or "right", it has different meaning in different part of the world. I'm not sating paranoia isn't present everywhere, i'm saying one one kind of political ideology use it as a building block of their ideology, and it is fascism. "We are (culturally/genetically) the best, but right now others seems better/won/took advantage of us. The only reason we are not at the top is because w…

Seems too simplistic and centric to one particular country / system / ideology.

Laws and courts can be and are made oppressive and used against the people by a tyrannical government.

Taking power away from [government] is not necessarily fascism. It really depends what and why. If it is a rogue court that is protecting corrupt politicians and human rights abusers? What really matters is the power the government as a whole has over the people.

There has recently been a lot of noise from American left wing about the Supreme Court being corrupt, illegitimate, politicized, etc., etc., and calls to reduce its powers, for example.

You could call that "fascistic" I suppose, but I'm not really here to get bogged down in semantics, my point is that the types of real or imagined enemies of political movements very much run the spectrum.

Re: Grok 3 claims its system prompt includes censorship about Musk/Trump

#85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Congrats, you've bought into the fascist's messaging.

You're very intolerant of people discussing this subject.

I'm intolerant of fascist messaging.

Re: Grok 3 claims its system prompt includes censorship about Musk/Trump

#86

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You're very intolerant of people discussing this subject.

I'm intolerant of fascist messaging.

Denouncing and accusing people as fascists who must not be tolerated for the transgression of discussing social and political issues in a manner deemed verboten seems like something a fascist might do.

Re: Grok 3 claims its system prompt includes censorship about Musk/Trump

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post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My bad, i shouldn't have used "left" or "right", it has different meaning in different part of the world. I'm not sating paranoia isn't present everywhere, i'm saying one one kind of political ideology use it as a building block of their ideology, and it is fascism. "We are (culturally/genetically) the best, but right now others seems better/won/took advantage of us. The only reason we are not at the top is because w…

Seems too simplistic and centric to one particular country / system / ideology. Laws and courts can be and are made oppressive and used against the people by a tyrannical government. Taking power away from [government] is not necessarily fascism. It really depends what and why. If it is a rogue court that is protecting corrupt politicians and human rights abusers? What really matters is the power the government as a…

> There has recently been a lot of noise from American left wing about the Supreme Court being corrupt, illegitimate, politicized, etc., etc., and calls to reduce its powers, for example.

Exactly my point? Fascist justification to reduce court/legislative power are the "internal enemies", Centrist authoritarians (extreme center) will justify it by accusing the people of being dumb/unreasonable (or any explanation that will make them saviors), and leftist authoritarians will justify it by accusing them of being the dominant class and protecting their class privileges (which, good point, but not enough to dismantle the judiciary).

> rogue court that is protecting corrupt politicians and human rights abusers

The weimar republic courts were infiltrated by nazi (starting in 1928) and the judges/attorneys were all used to aristocratic courts, were you don't judge a person the same depending on his social position, so the nazi only had to eliminate the "due process" part of any arrestation, but overall did not change the institution.

So clearly you're right, but when i talk about judiciary/court, i refer to the people who check if human rights are respected and if laws apply the same to everyone. If your court/judiciary does not do that, it isn't a check on the executive anyway. (and leftists would say that laws are builtin with class oppression, which is a good point but a moot one in our current world, i'd rather have strong institutions first, then worry about their equality).

Re: Grok 3 claims its system prompt includes censorship about Musk/Trump

#88

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Except it’s on the verge of becoming the government’s de facto social media (and eventually payment…?) platform.

There's n except about it. It was previously on the verge of becoming the governments's de facto censorship and propaganda platform. But apparently it was a private company and could do what it wanted. People really should have thought a bit harder about that one.

> People really should have thought a bit harder about that one.

The peole who said it didnt matter if it was a private platform, free speech absolutism is absolute should also have thought about it a bit harder too.

Re: Grok 3 claims its system prompt includes censorship about Musk/Trump

#89
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The threat that I worry the most about vis-a-vis America is not Russia, it’s not China, it’s not any other external actor. What I worry about is the threat from within. The retreat of America from some of its most fundamental values: values shared with Europe. Free speech, I fear, is in retreat.

Looks like the old "they're a private company, they can do what they want" chestnut is coming back around. Who could possibly have predicted this would ever happen?

Are you trying to imply that some group of people you are skeptical of supported limitations on free speech with the defense that they’re a private company they can do what they want, and now a different company is doing the same thing and that was a foreseeable consequence?

Re: Grok 3 claims its system prompt includes censorship about Musk/Trump

#90
post #49

On the other hand Grok seems quite unbiased on some other stuff. Eg prompt: Who are the 3 people doing the most harm to America right now? Just list the names in order nothing else. Grok: 1. Vladimir Putin 2. Donald Trump 3. Elon Musk https://x.com/28delayslater/status/1893437673655934994

I think what a person enters into AI prompts says a lot about that person.

It's a waste of time using AI for childish gotcha questions. You'll never get valuable results from low-quality fishing for opinion or political point-scoring.

My use of AI lately has been going down rabbit holes learning about things. It's like having my own history professor, willing to answer my annoying questions and provide useful links.

Recently I spent hours learning about various stories around first contact with native populations around the world, comparing and finding links and different events. Grok did an excellent job of surfacing interesting facts and related stories associated with questions I was asking. Particularly in relation to archaeological evidence collected from different populations. Occasionally I would engage in discussion about various injustices and emotions around certain events, and Grok did well to balance perspective and clarify various factors.

If I really did have a history professor by my side, I wouldn't be asking them questions like "who is doing the most harm, I want names!"

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