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Re: OpenEuroLLM

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Post by woah »

ben_w wrote: post #18
woah wrote: post #10

The three goals featured prominently above the fold are: > truly open > including data, documentation, training and testing code, and evaluation metrics; including community involvement > compliant > under EU regulations, OpenEuroLLM will provide a series of transparent and performant LLMs > diverse > for European languages and other socially and economically interesting ones, preserving linguistic and cultural diver…

Why would diversity, especially linguistic diversity, be besides the point? Europe is a lot more culturally and linguistically diverse than either the USA or China. Hier spricht man Deutsch. A 600 km à l'ouest, on parle français. 50 km na wschód, Polska. 360 χλμ βόρεια, Δανέζικα, Σουηδικά; 250 χλμ νότια, Τσεχία; 750 χλμ νοτιοανατολικά, Ουγγρικά; και τα λοιπά. Europe has a need, that the other models aren't bothered b…

Depends on the goals. If they were fine-tuning leading foundation models, then I could see this being an entirely sensible undertaking. But since their goal seems to be to make foundation models, I don't think that they will end up being the leading models with so many other conflicting requirements.

Re: OpenEuroLLM

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Post by supermatt »

ffsm8 wrote: post #70
simion314 wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So CERN and similar? you think it could have been done without any coordonation? Like 2 guys faking under they make it USA style ?

Well, what actual value did cern produce beyond theoretical research with no application in sight?

The web. Some people use that.

Re: OpenEuroLLM

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Post by papertokyo »

mmaunder wrote: post #61

Where is it? Where is code, a model, a repo? If one of our startups in this community put out a press release like this saying they have plans they’d be laughed off HN. Why isn’t the EU held to the same standard?

Because it's a bureaucratic union of 27 countries with goals other than making obscene profits, side-effects be damned?

Re: OpenEuroLLM

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Post by seydor »

ta12653421 wrote: post #75
seydor wrote: post #41

> OpenEuroLLM has a total budget of €37.4 million of which €20.6 million comes from the Digital Europe Programme. So on average 1.87 million per participating institution which might amount to funding ~5 PhD students per institution. Not bad for a training program. The project has been awarded the Sovereignity Seal, an EU mark of Excellence before it even started. This is truly in accordance with european values, whe…

for 1.87m per project, you get in EU rather 15 - 20 people :) (salaries are low here)

I assume the largest portion will be consumables, travel, meetings etc.

Re: OpenEuroLLM

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Post by jkaptur »

ffsm8 wrote: post #70
simion314 wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So CERN and similar? you think it could have been done without any coordonation? Like 2 guys faking under they make it USA style ?

Well, what actual value did cern produce beyond theoretical research with no application in sight?

In case you're serious: https://wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_World_Wide_Web

Re: OpenEuroLLM

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Post by sunshine-o »

dkyc wrote: post #3

But can I run it on Gaia-X? This really reads like a parody. Press release, “a consortium of 20 research institutions”, “awarded the STEP (Strategic Technologies for Europe Platform) seal”. Lots of grandiose self-congratulations. All with nothing to run, download or try of course.

What I am gonna say here is not a political point but I hope someone can point me the pattern (and some something to read about it) I have observed with for example the EU.

Yes it sounds like a parody or an onion piece. We know the European search engine, cloud, blockchain never got anywhere. I don't even believe that anybody ever really tried.

Now you have to put yourself in their head for 2 minutes and here is what I noticed by knowing a few of them (the "EU type").

In their perception of reality it seems they really believe that if they declare something it is real. This is why they get so deranged if you dare pointing to the facts or just asking questions. It seems they really believe they succeeded in all those projects. I they say it, it exists.

I am not really satisfied by the explanations we usually hear: they are incompetent, it is corruption or even insanity (some sort of mass hysteria that would take root in some institutions).

What I am wondering is, is there a concept in philosophy or some similar pattern in previous civilisation that could help us understand what is going on with the EU?

Because Gaia-X or OpenEuroLLM is one thing, but it is worrisome they now believe they can raise an army and declare war on everybody.

Re: OpenEuroLLM

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Post by layer8 »

woah wrote: post #10

The three goals featured prominently above the fold are: > truly open > including data, documentation, training and testing code, and evaluation metrics; including community involvement > compliant > under EU regulations, OpenEuroLLM will provide a series of transparent and performant LLMs > diverse > for European languages and other socially and economically interesting ones, preserving linguistic and cultural diver…

Compliance and language diversity are important motivations to not just use the existing foreign models.

Re: OpenEuroLLM

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Post by lynx97 »

amarcheschi wrote: post #82
lynx97 wrote: post #79

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If you read what is now the first comment, it says something about a project with similar aim and scope that already achieved some of the points

See, "some of the points", thats a pretty typical tactic... Nope, sorry, have seen too much, dont trust the EU anymore.
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