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A SpaceX team is being brought in to overhaul FAA's air traffic control system

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Re: A SpaceX team is being brought in to overhaul FAA's air traffic control system

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Post by UrineSqueegee »

lenerdenator wrote: post #43
UrineSqueegee wrote: post #17

" Duffy said the team from SpaceX went to Virginia to “get a firsthand look at the current system, learn what air traffic controllers like and dislike about their current tools, and envision how we can make a new, better, modern and safer system.”" I don't understand how anyone can be reasonably against this? They are not going to just overhaul everything overnight, they are going to upgrade the system based on ATC f…

> They are not going to just overhaul everything overnight, they are going to upgrade the system based on ATC feedback. Let's assume that the person isn't so full of it that the sclera of their eyes aren't dark brown. What guarantees that Musk's team is the best to do this on-time, on-budget, and on-spec?

>What guarantees that Musk's team is the best to do this on-time, on-budget, and on-spec?

SpaceX has been a government contractor for years, consistently delivering innovative solutions, reducing costs, and achieving milestones that traditional aerospace companies struggled with.

Biden alone assigned 4 national security contract to Space X during his term, a notable one being NSSL.

Re: A SpaceX team is being brought in to overhaul FAA's air traffic control system

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Post by transcriptase »

karles wrote: post #56
transcriptase wrote: post #51

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Enlighten us, oh enlightened one! I wish to be free of my chains.

When you find the reasonable non-partisan comments explaining that the article in question is misleading, written by a PAC, or that people are misunderstanding the topic at hand… and they’re always sitting at -40 to -200 and hidden from view you might start questioning a few things.

Re: A SpaceX team is being brought in to overhaul FAA's air traffic control system

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Post by karles »

ivewonyoung wrote: post #49
sjsdaiuasgdia wrote: post #3

What specific expertise does SpaceX have in the air traffic control realm? What was the bidding process like? Do other regions / nations have more advanced ATC than we do, and what can we learn from them? Is there a problem statement beyond "it has some old bits"? What are the specific goals? Just feels like corruption, tbh.

Why is everyone assuming SpaceX is getting paid for this by the government? The article doesn't even say that SpaceX is getting paid by the govt for it, they just put it in the headline and use weasel words in the story to make people come up with assumptions that may not be true. The govt can be paying those folks directly or Musk himself can be paying them like he did for some DOGE team members.

Great. Lets just have "someone" do "something" while they "might" get paid by "someone".

Sounds like the ideal government...

Re: A SpaceX team is being brought in to overhaul FAA's air traffic control system

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Post by looofooo0 »

SirFatty wrote: post #78
looofooo0 wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What specific expertise does SpaceX have in the air traffic control realm? Building software which respect to probabilistic risk analysis. This includes techniques such as abstract interpretation and theorem for for the logic of dynamical system etc. I guess spacex expertise in these realm is quite advanced and they do something useful.

So in other words, you don't really know.

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20150904-how-spacex-and-b...

Re: A SpaceX team is being brought in to overhaul FAA's air traffic control system

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Post by soco »

exodust wrote: post #64
Zealotux wrote: post #4

Such systems are designed and fine-tuned over decades of sometimes hard-learned lessons. This is not meant as a political comment, but people will likely die as a result of this.

Die as a result of giving attention to and upgrading air traffic control systems? Didn't a bunch of people die recently as a result of not intervening in this manner? The Verge is... often a nauseating experience because between every line they're hammering a side-hustle point with blunt force. Duffy: " I’m asking for help from any high-tech American developer or company that is willing to give back to our country...…

Are they asking the traffic controllers they already fired?

Re: A SpaceX team is being brought in to overhaul FAA's air traffic control system

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Post by starspangled »

dtjb wrote: post #69
starspangled wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The quote also doesn't indicate the SpaceX team is being "brought in to overhaul FAA systems", that seems like a big mistake if that tweet is all they are basing it on. The tweet says the FAA is tasked with overhauling their ATC system, and people from SpaceX are visiting to share ideas, and it seems to include an open invitation to others to do the same. Political pettiness, and speculation about whether Musk got so…

Maybe Musk should have done that review before firing all of those FAA employees last month. Maybe those jobs were important.

I don't know, maybe. Maybe not if they're getting ideas for a new ATC system not applicable to day to day operations of the existing one, which is more like what the tweet sounded like. But I really don't know the inner workings of any of that so it would only be speculation. I'm sure there's lots they could be doing better.

What I wrote stands though, the article seems poorly sourced and incorrect about its interpretation of the tweet.

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Post by gitfan86 »

karles wrote: post #53
gitfan86 wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Wait. So with a straight face, you're telling me that Musk - a non-elected billinaire - firing people who are investigating his companies, are totally fine?

Trump won in big part because he said he was going to bring Elon in to fix the government.

Just because you don't like Trump and Elon doesn't mean that democracy isn't working as intended.

Yes the people who were suing SpaceX for not hiring enough immigrants while SpaceX was also required to hire US citizens should be fired. This is what we voted for. If you don't like it you should support a candidate that doesn't focus on identity politics and win the next election, then that candidate can focus on lawsuits and regulations against the greatest innovator alive.

Re: A SpaceX team is being brought in to overhaul FAA's air traffic control system

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Post by gitfan86 »

fma wrote: post #45
gitfan86 wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Trump hands over government services to his biggest donor with zero accountability, transparency, and oversight. That is not corruption? What an Orwellian world. SpaceX bid and won projects. Did they win via corruption as well? Reread everything and cross out through names and see if you feel the sams.

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Re: A SpaceX team is being brought in to overhaul FAA's air traffic control system

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Post by gitfan86 »

XzAeRosho wrote: post #39
gitfan86 wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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If things felt corrupt before, why not improve the processes? Why keep doing the same but with the companies the administration in turn likes the best?

Removing the process is the improvement. This is what we voted for. Less processes not more and actual results.

Ask ChatGPT to compare and contrast Kamala Harris's effectiveness as "broadband Tzar" as compared to SpaceX Starlink.

Re: A SpaceX team is being brought in to overhaul FAA's air traffic control system

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Post by text0404 »

PaywallBuster wrote: post #14
sjsdaiuasgdia wrote: post #3

What specific expertise does SpaceX have in the air traffic control realm? What was the bidding process like? Do other regions / nations have more advanced ATC than we do, and what can we learn from them? Is there a problem statement beyond "it has some old bits"? What are the specific goals? Just feels like corruption, tbh.

article didn't they they got the project and any project would take months/years even with the best and brightest on the project > get a firsthand look at the current system, learn what air traffic controllers like and dislike about their current tools, and envision how we can make a new, better, modern and safer system based on this they can come in to scope out a project and send it out for bidding

where have they indicated that they will open this up for bidding?
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